Do I own the oldest spyder in the UK?

[Oldbones]

I have just come across www.howmanyleft.co.uk and its got me thinking, is my 1975 spyder the oldest running syder left in the UK?

I would be so bold as to claim it is unless you know different!!!!

[Hawk]

Its certainly older than mine

[rossocorsa]

there are two shown on sorn for 1975 so 50/50 chance I think, however there may be other cars that do not show on there such as ones that have been off the road since before sorn, any in dealers  stock etc. so it is not 100% definitive

[Neil-yaj396]

There are so few S1's full stop. Single figures for Coupes/Spiders??

[peteracs]

I have just come across www.howmanyleft.co.uk and its got me thinking, is my 1975 spyder the oldest running syder left in the UK?

I would be so bold as to claim it is unless you know different!!!!

Hi

Out of interest what is the official Lancia number for the car, should give you an idea where it fitted into the production schedule as so few S1 Spyders were made.

Peter

[MattNoVAT]

Your car certainly sounds like a good candidate for the earliest Spyder, as already proposed your best bet is to check the chassis number.

Sadly the date of registration is not much to go on, as cars did sit around for a while before being sold/registered. (One of mine was built May 78 and registered August 81)

Also its difficult because there is not much info available from Fiat/Lancia UK on Series 1 cars :-(

[Oldbones]

Thank you for your comments and advise
Registration 01/09/1975
Chassis no 828AS01285
Does this mean anything to anyone

I bought the spyder 8years ago and then spent 5 years getting it fit to pass an MOT but although she has been on the road the last three summers the weather has not allowed too much mileage. When I bought it I was told it had been off the road for 20years and in that time had had 8 owners each of which had left their mark on the car so is quite a mongrel but I must say looks good for it with its zagarto front rear and side skirts coupled with it lowered suspension

From a 1979 donor coupe
2.0ltr engine plus electronic ignition
Dash and instrument panel
Steering column

The car had been retrimmed in nice leather but with the original 1975 wiring Loom so imagine the problem that I faced when I got it home and realised nothing was connected electrically behind the panels. Wiring for points and an engine with electronic ignition, a different number of plugs and pins in different order to t plugs on the back of the instrument panel were just two of the problems and when I bought her I thought the main problem was missing drive shafts, if it wasn't for the fantastic body work I think I would have been owner number 9 that gave up and sold it on!!

Carrying on the theme I picked her up from the tuners today having fitted a guy crft inlet manifold and twin dellortos over the winter lets hope we get some summer this year

[peteracs]

Hi

Certainly looks early and definitely Series 1. The 828 is Beta, the A is series 1 and the S is Spyder.

Usually Lancia started at 1000 with car numbering from what I have read, so car number 285. Also from memory there were only a small number of Series 1 cars made as the time between S1 and S2 was very short, around 1 year?

Shame you do not have the original engine as that also is specific to the S1 cars, though I think the later ones are actually better engines.

I can appreciate the issues with the wiring, must have been a bit of a nightmare.

Peter

[HFStuart]

Brian Long's book suggests 514 S1 1600 Spiders and 225 1800 (which weren't available in the UK IIRC). That's out of 9,390 spiders built in total

[Ashley frater]

I've got a 1975 S1 Spyder too.
Ashley

[peteracs]

Hi Ashley

Just to answer the question raised, what is the serial nos of the car you have?

Peter

[rossocorsa]

there is another series one spider which appears to be an addition to the two already mentioned I checked details on line and they are as follows

Date of Liability   01 09 2013
Date of First Registration   14 10 1975
Year of Manufacture   Not Available
Cylinder Capacity (cc)   1592cc
CO2 Emissions   Not Available
Fuel Type   PETROL
Export Marker   N
Vehicle Status   SORN Not Due
Vehicle Colour   RED
Vehicle Type Approval   Not Available
Vehicle Excise Duty rate for vehicle
6 Months Rate   £123.75
12 Months Rate   £225.00

Make   LANCIA
Model   SPYDER
Description   1600
Fuel Type   Petrol

[Oldbones]

Ashley
Can you post the chassis number and date of registration of your 1975 spyder

Rossocorsa
That's interesting what site have you used to find a third 1975 spyder. I can only find two on the only site I know of "howmanyleft.com"

Cheers
Oldbones

[rossocorsa]

I just know the reg number well known car in UK lancia circles, a 1600 in (if my memory serves me well) rosso capannelle. Cars will not show on 'howmanyleft'  if they are in the possession of a dealer so neither taxed nor on sorn or have been off the road before sorn started, also if the description on the dvla database is inaccurate or more than one description was used (example of this volumex coupés are listed as 'coupe volumex' or 'coupe 2000 vx')

I don't know who owns that spider these days, probably the owner from years ago but as I am not an LMC member I can't check their database  

[rossocorsa]

another quirk of the dvla listing is that the car is listed as 'spyder' when lancia almost invariably used 'spider'

[rossocorsa]

I checked the updated figures on how many left and it shows 3 first reg in 75 and one first reg in 76 which are all probably s1 (the 76 could be either s1 or 2) and all are shown as on sorn
The data is confusing as it seems some cars have no record of supposed date of manufacture one of which just happens to be a 75 registered 1600 spider.

[Ashley frater]

VIN 828AS01357
First registered 7/11/1975
Ashley

[Oldbones]

Hi Ashley
If Peter is correct my spyder was the 285th made and yours was the 357th made  . Is yours still original as mine is a real mongrel with lots of parts from a donor car from1979

[Ashley frater]

The paperwork would suggest it's original, although the red paint and gold wheels are anything but. I fell for it looking like that though, so I'm unlikely to pay to refurb it back to beige.
Ashley

[rossocorsa]

The paperwork would suggest it's original, although the red paint and gold wheels are anything but. I fell for it looking like that though, so I'm unlikely to pay to refurb it back to beige.
Ashley

Yep that beige would be a step too far, not that pretty even in the 70s, still not convinced about gold wheels though!