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Title: Beta Volumex HPE restoration
Post by: squiglyzigly on September 07, 2021, 08:41:48 AM
Iíve had the good fortune to acquire another restoration project. The timing was perfect seeing as the Berlina is now finished.
Itís going to be a complete body, engine and interior restoration with no timeframe so that I can enjoy the process.
Both my previous restorations had a hurry up point along the way due to loosing workshop/storage space. This  time it is different as I now have my own workshop at home.
Iím not very good at recording and posting progress of all the work that we know goes into such a project, but I will try my best to post more.

Ian


Title: Not a pretty sight but itís all there
Post by: squiglyzigly on September 07, 2021, 08:50:44 AM
Thereís a bit to do here but thankfully it seems complete, original and as far as I can tell from spinning it by hand, itís got a smooth supercharger.


Title: Engine bay
Post by: squiglyzigly on September 07, 2021, 08:52:56 AM
Itís going to need a bit more than a blow with an air-line.


Title: Re: Beta Volumex HPE restoration
Post by: Nigel on September 07, 2021, 06:17:59 PM
Lovely acquisition Ian!
Doesn't look too bad from the pics.

All the best with it,

Nigel

PM sent.


Title: Re: Engine bay
Post by: peteracs on September 07, 2021, 07:37:56 PM
Itís going to need a bit more than a blow with an air-line.

You think?

I can just imagine the creative words on Ebay!

Looks like a good starting point.

Peter


Title: Re: Beta Volumex HPE restoration
Post by: WestonE on September 07, 2021, 08:06:39 PM
Nice project. You end up with a sought after Beta to complete your set.

You will probably have it finished before my engine runs the rate I am going at.

Eric   


Title: Re: Beta Volumex HPE restoration
Post by: squiglyzigly on September 07, 2021, 09:11:24 PM
Nigel and Peter you are very right, the shell has a few repairs to address but they are minor for a 38 y.o Beta.
I didnít really need another project but this was to good to pass and a HPE really is the everyday all-rounder in the Beta range.
I know youíre going to have that running long before me Eric. I have to go back to full time employment in October 😢
Not sure Iím ready for it tbh


Title: Re: Beta Volumex HPE restoration
Post by: squiglyzigly on September 07, 2021, 09:31:01 PM
With the excitement of a puppy and a new sofa to chew I had to get going. So I chose the highly visible hole in the rear quarter panel to practice some fabrication and right way up welding. I hate upside down welding. In fact Iím convinced my receding hairline is all down to welding burns and nothing to do with ageing.


Title: Re: Beta Volumex HPE restoration
Post by: squiglyzigly on September 07, 2021, 09:31:44 PM
Hole be gone


Title: Re: Beta Volumex HPE restoration
Post by: squiglyzigly on September 07, 2021, 09:36:30 PM
Next stop, rear wheel arch


Title: Re: Beta Volumex HPE restoration
Post by: WestonE on September 08, 2021, 07:14:42 AM
Nice work. This working every day thing is really slowing me down!


Title: Re: Beta Volumex HPE restoration
Post by: mangocrazy on September 08, 2021, 09:23:10 AM
Nice work. This working every day thing is really slowing me down!

I retired last July, and I haven't noticed any significant speeding up of my Beta restoration/refurb since... I now wonder how I ever had time for work...

But Ian, that looks a cracker of a purchase. I owned an HPE in the early 80s and it was a wonderfully versatile workhorse. Plus yours has added VX, so even better.


Title: Re: Beta Volumex HPE restoration
Post by: squiglyzigly on September 08, 2021, 01:23:17 PM
Yes Iím hoping that by the time I have this finished it will be ĎHistoric statusí so that I can daily it to work in east London. The fuel consumption of a VX is something of a concern but at least it will be free road tax (instead of the current £240 p.a)
Meantime the Berlina is the daily London commuter.


Title: Re: Beta Volumex HPE restoration
Post by: squiglyzigly on March 04, 2022, 06:10:45 PM
Bit slow on the progress posts but work has been trickling along.
Once I started on the rear arch, it quickly became obvious that I needed to include all the other rot that linked to it. So it became inner and outer sill repairs and replacement as well as wheel arch lower corners. I had a good s/h arch that came with the car but had to fabricate the lower sections.


Title: Re: Beta Volumex HPE restoration
Post by: squiglyzigly on March 04, 2022, 06:19:16 PM
Also whilst the outer sill was cut away it seemed a good time to tackle the usual lower rear corner door shut water trap. Iím sure most of you know that this is always much worse than the small bubbles of rust indicate. This is because it is more than one skin and the water gets in between. You know the rest!
I fabricated this from a couple of pieces of sheet, shaped joined and ground.


Title: Re: Beta Volumex HPE restoration
Post by: squiglyzigly on March 04, 2022, 06:32:26 PM
Whilst repairing the inner sill sections I chose to add a few extra fillets of metal running from the inner sill (carpet side) through the central sill and connecting to the outer sill. The particular areas of note where the box section that the front seats sit on, the jacking point and the bottom of the A-pillar. This is to improve chassis stiffness and is very apparent now when jacking the car on the middle jack point This will be repeated on the other side.


Title: Re: Beta Volumex HPE restoration
Post by: SanRemo78 on March 04, 2022, 06:52:27 PM
Looks absolutely superb now! Have you taken the C pillar plastic trim off yet? One of my VX HPE's was completely rotted through there...


Title: Re: Beta Volumex HPE restoration
Post by: squiglyzigly on March 04, 2022, 06:52:49 PM
Then a rather messy job of taking the rear quarter, door shut and sill back to bare metal with a poly strip wheel on the angle grinder, followed by 160 grit hand sand it was ready for 2k etch primer and high build 2k primer to finish.

Next stop, n/s door.



Title: Re: Beta Volumex HPE restoration
Post by: squiglyzigly on March 04, 2022, 06:58:51 PM
Looks absolutely superb now! Have you taken the C pillar plastic trim off yet? One of my VX HPE's was completely rotted through there...

😛 you mean this area?
Yes I cut it all out and re-fabbed that too.
There was some repairs around the rear light unit as well. All new metal now.
Itís easy to forget how many repairs you do if you forget to take pictures. And I regularly forget the pictures. 🙄




Title: Re: Beta Volumex HPE restoration
Post by: SanRemo78 on March 04, 2022, 07:45:11 PM
That's it - mine was gone from front to back when the poor thing got scrapped... Today it might have been considered saveable but not in 1990...


Title: Re: Beta Volumex HPE restoration
Post by: squiglyzigly on March 04, 2022, 09:50:41 PM
Yes itís a shame some of the cars we let go. I remember being Ďgivení a gold series II facelift because it failed the mot on a little rust and some poor brakes. ďI broke it!!Ē Criminal. And I still remember thinking every piece I took from the car, Ďwhy am I breaking this?í
At least one of the wings has made it onto this car.


Title: Re: Beta Volumex HPE restoration
Post by: squiglyzigly on March 04, 2022, 10:02:01 PM
N/s door was quite good really. Had the usual rot inside and out due to the mandatory water ingress from the quarter light mounted mirror assembly. But the lower areas of the door seem to be well preserved presumably due to lots of cavity wax.
So a few little repairs and itís a good door.
Bare metal and etch/filler primer as before. This is to be the process for the whole car.

Iím starting to feel as though Iím getting somewhere.


Title: Re: Beta Volumex HPE restoration
Post by: squiglyzigly on March 04, 2022, 10:03:03 PM
Prime time


Title: Re: Beta Volumex HPE restoration
Post by: squiglyzigly on March 04, 2022, 10:07:14 PM
Another panel ready


Title: Re: Beta Volumex HPE restoration
Post by: squiglyzigly on March 04, 2022, 10:25:00 PM
The inside always looks terrible but itís not really as bad as it looks.


Title: Re: Beta Volumex HPE restoration
Post by: SanRemo78 on March 04, 2022, 11:39:07 PM
My first Beta was a 1978 HPE, one owner for it's first 3 years, sat in a heated showroom for the next 3 before I got it in 1984. Zeibarted from new it was mint until the day it died courtesy of an errant trucker. I did have a minor bump in it that needed a front end and it got treated to a full respray. The ONLY rot we found was on the top of the inner door panel just like this. Just treated it and left it with a drain route. I wish I;d kept that one to this day. All I have left is the number plate transferred to every subsequent daily I've had since.


Title: Re: Beta Volumex HPE restoration
Post by: squiglyzigly on March 07, 2022, 04:09:52 PM
Some good news under the front arches. No repairs necessary. Just a quick prep to some very minor surface rust and then some more zinc primer and body Shultz which will get a final coat of Dinitrol once everything is finally assembled. All box sections are having extra access holes drilled into them for annual Dinitrol top ups.
Quite pleased to see the front end in such good condition.



Title: Re: Beta Volumex HPE restoration
Post by: peteracs on March 07, 2022, 04:18:44 PM
That is one of the big differences between having and not having wing liners.

Peter


Title: Re: Beta Volumex HPE restoration
Post by: WestonE on March 07, 2022, 04:52:26 PM
Hi Peter

My thoughts exactly

Eric


Title: Re: Beta Volumex HPE restoration
Post by: squiglyzigly on March 31, 2022, 06:39:11 PM
Progress has been a bit slow lately due to a flu/virus thing flooring me for nearly 4 weeks which led seemlessly into covid.
With a few more simple panels repaired and prepped Iím now about 3/4 of the way around.

Next area of attack will be the roof and windscreen surround. There are a few holes to repair at the bottom of the windscreen and a small hole in the n/s top corner. The sunroof was a nightmare to get out as it had previously been fitted with one wrong slider which prevented the roof from dropping and sliding. God knows how they managed to get it in but it left some panel straightening to do after removal.

I might be a bit slow to learn some tricks n tips but I have just found the Ďcopper plate under a pin hole to weldí trick. You all know this right? I didnít and canít believe how simple it is.
If you need to weld a small pin hole in a panel, you simply hold a piece of copper plate under the pin hole and spot weld/fill the pin hole. The copper doesnít take the weld and holds the weld so it can flow into the hole. Quick grind and prep and itís gone. Bit annoyed Iíve been swearing at ever expanding pin holes for 20 years.


Title: Re: Beta Volumex HPE restoration
Post by: WestonE on March 31, 2022, 08:21:14 PM
Great Work Ian

And sorry but I did know about the Brass/ Copper plate under a Pin hole thing I think from a teach yourself to weld video over 20 years ago.

I will how creep off smugly for about 10 minutes before my next major cock up brings me back down to earth!

Cheers

Eric



Title: Re: Beta Volumex HPE restoration
Post by: Nigel on March 31, 2022, 08:41:55 PM
Concur with Eric, great work. At some time in the future, i've got some
rust on the pax door and both rear window apertures to deal with.

I see on your garage wall you have some Lancia cards in frames. I have a similar
looking frame which I picked up from a flea market in Johannesburg many years ago.



Title: Re: Beta Volumex HPE restoration
Post by: TonyLanciaBeta on March 31, 2022, 09:30:17 PM
Amazing work Ian, so pleased Rob's HPE found the right owner  :)
I sent the previous owner a link to this, and he's so absolutely chuffed the car's being restored.
Cheers
Tony





 


Title: Re: Beta Volumex HPE restoration
Post by: peteracs on March 31, 2022, 10:39:31 PM
Hi

I also have the cards in frame, bought on Ebay about 10 years ago. I never realised they were a production item!

Car is looking great, sorry to hear about the illness, I seem to have had one virus per month this year including Covid, so hoping we both have a clear AprilÖ.

Peter


Title: Re: Beta Volumex HPE restoration
Post by: squiglyzigly on April 01, 2022, 07:01:56 PM
Lol cheers Eric, when I discovered the copper plate trick I knew it must have been an old practice that passed me by.

Peter/Nigel, the picture cards in the frame seem to be a popular thing a few years back. My sister gave them to me a few months back when she found them clearing the loft for her house move. Funny how we follow similar likes.

Today Iíve just got my first COVID negative test so Iím looking forward to getting back to full speed in the garage once I get home. Currently having a breather in Southern Italy and enjoying buzzing around in the Lancia Ypsilon hire car.

Thanks Tony, I hope to do the car justice in its restoration and the end goal is for it to be my dailyíish runaround. Currently the Berlina is doing a good job in that role so Iím not sure what will happen when the HPE is finished albeit thatís a year or two away.

Right itís beer oíclock here, Moretti time.


Title: Re: Beta Volumex HPE restoration
Post by: squiglyzigly on April 20, 2022, 08:35:04 PM
Moretti time is over and now back in Blighty, I was keen to get the windscreen panel fixed and the roof stripped and primed seeing as itís the largest area on the car. A reasonable amount of repairs were needed around the windscreen panel but minimal enough to justify repair rather than replacement.
I just kept finding small repairs which made it feel never ending but in the end it got prepped.


Title: Re: Beta Volumex HPE restoration
Post by: squiglyzigly on April 20, 2022, 08:41:03 PM
As to be expected the scuttle was the worst area with gravity working itís magic.


Title: Re: Beta Volumex HPE restoration
Post by: squiglyzigly on April 20, 2022, 08:59:14 PM
A relief to get this large area repaired, bare metalled, etch primed and finally primed.
One new discovery for me was that the factory sunroof has a pair of stainless steel runners welded into the roof where the sliding roof guides rub. At least thatís what my eyes tell me judging from the different colour in the bare metal.
This would explain why that part of the roof never rusts when the paint is rubbed away.
Never given it a thought before as Iíd never bare metalled a Beta before.

Every dayĒs a school day!


Title: Re: Beta Volumex HPE restoration
Post by: WestonE on April 21, 2022, 07:12:28 AM
Fantastic progress and that curved corner is a high class piece of fabrication work. I have lost all progress in getting my house on the market.

Eric


Title: Re: Beta Volumex HPE restoration
Post by: squiglyzigly on April 21, 2022, 03:45:30 PM
Thanks Eric but I canít take credit for the corner piece fabrication as I cut it from a donor car.

Are you moving to a nice garage with a house attached?


Title: Re: Beta Volumex HPE restoration
Post by: chrisc on April 21, 2022, 05:54:03 PM
Envious! Funny seeing how closely some of the repairs match those from my past vx hpe.

I have found my perfect house, nice area, nice house, 2 double garages and a big driveway. However, it's not for sale and if it were I would hazard a guess it would be close to £1.5m.. Still, if I ever win the lottery..