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Title: beta coupe 1979 - 1600 from belgium
Post by: fred2660 on April 13, 2017, 09:16:07 PM
hello

my name is fred and live in belgium, antwerp. I bought myself a coupe from 1979, original dutch car. i am new to lancia's . i restored a toyota celica ta23 in the past and have also a mazda 929 coupe from 1976.

being new to the beta's i didn't know where to look when i bought it. I trusted the cardealer but that was a mistake (never trust a cardealer  :D) At first glance theres little rust, but the more i digged into the car i found more and more. thats not a real problem because i wanted to learn to do a real restoration, welding included. So I started the restoration about a month ago. I found rust on the 'usual places':  back turrets, sills,

here some pictures from when i bought it

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2853/33175400994_d6a80d8867_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/SxAAUj)IMG_2061 (1) (https://flic.kr/p/SxAAUj) by frederikleyers (https://www.flickr.com/photos/9316382@N04/), on Flickr

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2809/34018472245_ef11281b6e_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/TQ6yBx)IMG_2062 (https://flic.kr/p/TQ6yBx) by frederikleyers (https://www.flickr.com/photos/9316382@N04/), on Flickr

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2867/34018472045_06690511c1_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/TQ6yy6)IMG_2065 (https://flic.kr/p/TQ6yy6) by frederikleyers (https://www.flickr.com/photos/9316382@N04/), on Flickr

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2863/33888929381_a52ca2f5e8_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/TCDC2T)IMG_2066 (https://flic.kr/p/TCDC2T) by frederikleyers (https://www.flickr.com/photos/9316382@N04/), on Flickr


i will try to share my restoration on this forum


Title: Re: beta coupe 1979 - 1600 from belgium
Post by: smithymc on April 14, 2017, 08:58:32 AM
Welcome Fred. What a nice looking car, such a shame it hides some problems.

You will find plenty of help and advice here.

Mark


Title: Re: beta coupe 1979 - 1600 from belgium
Post by: betaveloce on April 14, 2017, 09:09:44 AM
Hi Fred,
I also live in Antwerp and I have had Betas for over twenty years now.
If you need parts or want to compare stuff with my cars, just let me know ;-)


Title: Re: beta coupe 1979 - 1600 from belgium
Post by: RichB on April 14, 2017, 02:18:56 PM
Is that a later grill? Are these interchangeable, I wonder as i like the look of the earlier S1 and 2 cars?


Title: Re: beta coupe 1979 - 1600 from belgium
Post by: fred2660 on April 14, 2017, 07:47:54 PM
this is the current condition of the car. I am trying to remove all the rust and repair the bad spots. this is my first big restoration so i make mistakes. I dont have all the proper equipment so i have to improvise a lot and work in very uncomfortable possitions. I dont have repair panels so I cut out the rusty spots and make patches out of new sheet metal (1mm).  i am not aming for perfection

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2932/33223743373_c4fd8d036b_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/SBSnpB)IMG_1900 (https://flic.kr/p/SBSnpB) by frederikleyers (https://www.flickr.com/photos/9316382@N04/), on Flickr

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2820/33995273526_2034644322_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/TN3ErC)IMG_1899 (https://flic.kr/p/TN3ErC) by frederikleyers (https://www.flickr.com/photos/9316382@N04/), on Flickr

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2877/33193067694_df7d1eb27d_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/Sza9AA)IMG_1827 (https://flic.kr/p/Sza9AA) by frederikleyers (https://www.flickr.com/photos/9316382@N04/), on Flickr

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2817/33650987630_f60fe72b99_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/TgC7eU)IMG_1826 (https://flic.kr/p/TgC7eU) by frederikleyers (https://www.flickr.com/photos/9316382@N04/), on Flickr

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2904/34036072245_601cde51f7_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/TRDLtP)IMG_1825 (https://flic.kr/p/TRDLtP) by frederikleyers (https://www.flickr.com/photos/9316382@N04/), on Flickr

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/4/3931/34036082165_81091e1a28_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/TRDPqR)IMG_1901 (https://flic.kr/p/TRDPqR) by frederikleyers (https://www.flickr.com/photos/9316382@N04/), on Flickr


Title: Re: beta coupe 1979 - 1600 from belgium
Post by: fred2660 on April 14, 2017, 08:25:56 PM
more pics

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/4/3946/34036686875_609835a288_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/TRGVbT)IMG_1923 (https://flic.kr/p/TRGVbT) by frederikleyers (https://www.flickr.com/photos/9316382@N04/), on Flickr

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/4/3955/34036687555_6308525475_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/TRGVoB)IMG_1922 (https://flic.kr/p/TRGVoB) by frederikleyers (https://www.flickr.com/photos/9316382@N04/), on Flickr

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/4/3946/34036687675_a6cf17886e_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/TRGVqF)IMG_1921 (https://flic.kr/p/TRGVqF) by frederikleyers (https://www.flickr.com/photos/9316382@N04/), on Flickr

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2871/34036687865_637f145b80_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/TRGVtX)IMG_1920 (https://flic.kr/p/TRGVtX) by frederikleyers (https://www.flickr.com/photos/9316382@N04/), on Flickr

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2812/33995913426_5f64ca3fea_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/TN6WEo)IMG_1918 (https://flic.kr/p/TN6WEo) by frederikleyers (https://www.flickr.com/photos/9316382@N04/), on Flickr

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2810/34036688215_47c0b05c06_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/TRGVzZ)IMG_1917 (https://flic.kr/p/TRGVzZ) by frederikleyers (https://www.flickr.com/photos/9316382@N04/), on Flickr

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/4/3938/34036688365_6e69b4e9f6_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/TRGVCz)IMG_1916 (https://flic.kr/p/TRGVCz) by frederikleyers (https://www.flickr.com/photos/9316382@N04/), on Flickr

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2805/34036688845_b81f2c99e6_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/TRGVLR)IMG_1915 (https://flic.kr/p/TRGVLR) by frederikleyers (https://www.flickr.com/photos/9316382@N04/), on Flickr

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2828/33193700534_29f936483b_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/SzdoHC)IMG_1912 (https://flic.kr/p/SzdoHC) by frederikleyers (https://www.flickr.com/photos/9316382@N04/), on Flickr

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2904/34036687225_497d4a7c57_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/TRGVhV)IMG_1911 (https://flic.kr/p/TRGVhV) by frederikleyers (https://www.flickr.com/photos/9316382@N04/), on Flickr

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2855/34036689255_c3f5043d91_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/TRGVTV)IMG_1909 (https://flic.kr/p/TRGVTV) by frederikleyers (https://www.flickr.com/photos/9316382@N04/), on Flickr

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2876/33193700784_709c857ab8_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/SzdoMW)IMG_1907 (https://flic.kr/p/SzdoMW) by frederikleyers (https://www.flickr.com/photos/9316382@N04/), on Flickr

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2826/33879385022_1ce4419b8c_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/TBNGPY)IMG_1906 (https://flic.kr/p/TBNGPY) by frederikleyers (https://www.flickr.com/photos/9316382@N04/), on Flickr

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/4/3935/33879385472_b93b4eac47_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/TBNGXJ)IMG_1904 (https://flic.kr/p/TBNGXJ) by frederikleyers (https://www.flickr.com/photos/9316382@N04/), on Flickr

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2841/33651595380_a2058fb7c7_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/TgFdUm)IMG_1902 (https://flic.kr/p/TgFdUm) by frederikleyers (https://www.flickr.com/photos/9316382@N04/), on Flickr


the welding is a learning process. I am already redoing welds that I done a month ago  :D  tips are welcome


Title: Re: beta coupe 1979 - 1600 from belgium
Post by: Orbital on April 14, 2017, 09:15:35 PM
Nice work man !


I am equally as new to this as you are.  My car which is the same model and year as yours has much worse rust then what you got here.. Some places that I found rusted extremely bad were locations where you would put the car jack under. Mainly the rear left and right sides just in front of the outer wheel arch might be worth looking into that's all. 
Your welding is pretty good probs better then mine  :-X 
Please keep the photos coming be really interested to see how she comes along ..



Title: Re: beta coupe 1979 - 1600 from belgium
Post by: Ammy on April 14, 2017, 09:19:05 PM
Do not worry.similar welds to mine  25 years ago,  and still performing perfectly.


Title: Re: beta coupe 1979 - 1600 from belgium
Post by: fred2660 on April 15, 2017, 09:53:10 AM
@ orbital: all the places to put the jack are all rusted out on my car also. I am repairing thse spots. I will post photos later on


Title: Re: beta coupe 1979 - 1600 from belgium
Post by: rossocorsa on April 15, 2017, 05:25:04 PM
Fairly typical rust does for a beta, nice work. By the jack places do you mean the square brackets with round holes? If so they are rust traps but are not meant for jacking the car they were used to carry the body shell in the factory.


Title: Re: beta coupe 1979 - 1600 from belgium
Post by: fred2660 on April 15, 2017, 07:36:31 PM
Fairly typical rust does for a beta, nice work. By the jack places do you mean the square brackets with round holes? If so they are rust traps but are not meant for jacking the car they were used to carry the body shell in the factory.

yes, i meant those. haha i jacked my car on those things and the surrounding steel collapsed totally. rust traps indeed
now i am hesitating of replacing them , however it ads to the originality


Title: Re: beta coupe 1979 - 1600 from belgium
Post by: fred2660 on April 18, 2017, 08:13:09 PM
i removed the gastank and removed the rust in search for possible holes. I found a little hole on the topside but its shape make me believe that its a factory made hole. Is this correct?
thanks


Title: Re: beta coupe 1979 - 1600 from belgium
Post by: Neil-yaj396 on April 19, 2017, 07:11:54 AM
I think we would need to see a picture. Do you mean on the tank itself?


Title: Re: beta coupe 1979 - 1600 from belgium
Post by: fred2660 on April 19, 2017, 08:54:26 AM
yes, a hole in the tank itself

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/4/3947/33291618454_72ab22546e_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/SHSfiC)IMG_1936 (https://flic.kr/p/SHSfiC) by frederikleyers (https://www.flickr.com/photos/9316382@N04/), on Flickr

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/4/3929/33322948483_e4dd5795bd_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/SLCPCx)IMG_1932 (https://flic.kr/p/SLCPCx) by frederikleyers (https://www.flickr.com/photos/9316382@N04/), on Flickr

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2878/34134255055_ceef1ffb8d_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/U1jYNT)IMG_1931 (https://flic.kr/p/U1jYNT) by frederikleyers (https://www.flickr.com/photos/9316382@N04/), on Flickr

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/4/3929/33322948483_e69806d44d_h.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/SLCPCx)IMG_1932 (https://flic.kr/p/SLCPCx) by frederikleyers (https://www.flickr.com/photos/9316382@N04/), on Flickr


Title: Re: beta coupe 1979 - 1600 from belgium
Post by: peteracs on April 19, 2017, 10:08:02 AM
Hi

There should only be the main hole for the combined in/out/level sensor. There was also a small pipe at the top for venting, some tanks may have extra pipes I guess, but no extra holes.

Peter


Title: Re: beta coupe 1979 - 1600 from belgium
Post by: fred2660 on April 19, 2017, 05:25:14 PM
thanks peter

I ran into the next problem. I removed one of the back struts( ?) and find some...rust

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2857/34011090141_77677450ac_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/TPrJaT)IMG_1943 (https://flic.kr/p/TPrJaT) by frederikleyers (https://www.flickr.com/photos/9316382@N04/), on Flickr

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2883/34011089921_e241d2b900_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/TPrJ76)IMG_1944 (https://flic.kr/p/TPrJ76) by frederikleyers (https://www.flickr.com/photos/9316382@N04/), on Flickr

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2809/34011088731_6e69589bde_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/TPrHKz)IMG_1945 (https://flic.kr/p/TPrHKz) by frederikleyers (https://www.flickr.com/photos/9316382@N04/), on Flickr

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2910/34011089741_65ee2c1670_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/TPrJ3Z)IMG_1946 (https://flic.kr/p/TPrJ3Z) by frederikleyers (https://www.flickr.com/photos/9316382@N04/), on Flickr

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2857/34011088861_ba5399b436_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/TPrHMP)IMG_1953 (https://flic.kr/p/TPrHMP) by frederikleyers (https://www.flickr.com/photos/9316382@N04/), on Flickr

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2829/34011088531_bd92be8478_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/TPrHG8)IMG_1954 (https://flic.kr/p/TPrHG8) by frederikleyers (https://www.flickr.com/photos/9316382@N04/), on Flickr



dont know if i am gonna fix this or search for other (better) ones. its quite a vital part of the car. dont know if i am able to fix it


one of my favourite tools

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2810/34011089321_c4154cbffe_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/TPrHVK)IMG_1948 (https://flic.kr/p/TPrHVK) by frederikleyers (https://www.flickr.com/photos/9316382@N04/), on Flickr


Title: Re: beta coupe 1979 - 1600 from belgium
Post by: Orbital on April 19, 2017, 09:09:31 PM
what on earth is that tool ? ... AND as I said before mine and your car are the same in every way .. same rust on mine .. I just ordered new ones from here ...
http://353652584127257704.weebly.com/store/c17/Shock_Absorbers.html (http://353652584127257704.weebly.com/store/c17/Shock_Absorbers.html)


Title: Re: beta coupe 1979 - 1600 from belgium
Post by: fred2660 on April 19, 2017, 10:39:57 PM
what on earth is that tool ? ...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBEJrtSYEl4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBEJrtSYEl4)


Title: Re: beta coupe 1979 - 1600 from belgium
Post by: fred2660 on April 20, 2017, 07:20:27 PM
I checked the other strut ... and the same story

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2941/34162761325_b6e90f48ae_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/U3R5Ji)IMG_1967 (https://flic.kr/p/U3R5Ji) by frederikleyers (https://www.flickr.com/photos/9316382@N04/), on Flickr

I looked at the front struts and they seem to be ok.

i am actually kinda shocked by the poor quality of this part. I have done other restorations of rusty cars but the struts were always in a decent condition.

anyway... continued my battle with the rust and removed some (typical?) panels

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2838/34162762475_c516fe94a0_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/U3R658)IMG_1955 (https://flic.kr/p/U3R658) by frederikleyers (https://www.flickr.com/photos/9316382@N04/), on Flickr

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2841/34162760845_0cf27b90ed_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/U3R5A2)IMG_1963 (https://flic.kr/p/U3R5A2) by frederikleyers (https://www.flickr.com/photos/9316382@N04/), on Flickr

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2893/34162762335_7bc25e5f65_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/U3R62H)IMG_1956 (https://flic.kr/p/U3R62H) by frederikleyers (https://www.flickr.com/photos/9316382@N04/), on Flickr

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2885/34162762125_d3cc4e4cbc_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/U3R5Y6)IMG_1957 (https://flic.kr/p/U3R5Y6) by frederikleyers (https://www.flickr.com/photos/9316382@N04/), on Flickr

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2835/34162761935_fc058c13eb_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/U3R5UP)IMG_1958 (https://flic.kr/p/U3R5UP) by frederikleyers (https://www.flickr.com/photos/9316382@N04/), on Flickr

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2938/33351533493_88235f4f98_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/SPajXx)IMG_1959 (https://flic.kr/p/SPajXx) by frederikleyers (https://www.flickr.com/photos/9316382@N04/), on Flickr

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2867/34162761635_c5b64fb0a4_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/U3R5PD)IMG_1960 (https://flic.kr/p/U3R5PD) by frederikleyers (https://www.flickr.com/photos/9316382@N04/), on Flickr

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2835/34162760895_c7befd8255_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/U3R5AT)IMG_1964 (https://flic.kr/p/U3R5AT) by frederikleyers (https://www.flickr.com/photos/9316382@N04/), on Flickr


i also removed the insolation of the floorpanels. no major rust over there

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2864/34005249032_25d27f4a79_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/TNVMP7)IMG_1965 (https://flic.kr/p/TNVMP7) by frederikleyers (https://www.flickr.com/photos/9316382@N04/), on Flickr

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2831/34162760255_449d16140b_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/U3R5pR)IMG_1966 (https://flic.kr/p/U3R5pR) by frederikleyers (https://www.flickr.com/photos/9316382@N04/), on Flickr


Title: Re: beta coupe 1979 - 1600 from belgium
Post by: Orbital on April 20, 2017, 08:41:25 PM
Thanks for that ...  I AM SO GOING TO BUY ONE ! .. I have been using angle grinder for must rust removal this shall help !

And yeah same damage to my car my friend. I removed the panel made a template cut the sections out that could be saved like where the fuel pump goes etc.  And welded it onto fresh steel .. Simple welded it back in make it fully sealed .,.. then used fiber glass + body filler to 100 % seal it and make it look smooth...


Title: Re: beta coupe 1979 - 1600 from belgium
Post by: Orbital on April 20, 2017, 08:51:27 PM
that's it not 100% done but getting much closer !

When it came to doing the back like your doing right now I also removed the inside panel makes it easier to seal when you put it back together .. yet again all very ruff at the mooo


Title: Re: beta coupe 1979 - 1600 from belgium
Post by: fred2660 on April 21, 2017, 06:39:41 PM
your car seems even worse  ;)


Title: Re: beta coupe 1979 - 1600 from belgium
Post by: fred2660 on April 30, 2017, 07:19:54 PM
welded some more and started to paint the inside of the car with a rust primer

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2816/34323630546_c4beec50b8_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/Ui4zxy)IMG_2062 (https://flic.kr/p/Ui4zxy) by frederikleyers (https://www.flickr.com/photos/9316382@N04/), on Flickr

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2859/34323630386_1faac47b24_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/Ui4zuN)IMG_2064 (https://flic.kr/p/Ui4zuN) by frederikleyers (https://www.flickr.com/photos/9316382@N04/), on Flickr

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2828/34323630166_4f13eeb005_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/Ui4zr1)IMG_2067 (https://flic.kr/p/Ui4zr1) by frederikleyers (https://www.flickr.com/photos/9316382@N04/), on Flickr

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4178/34364999945_d4e7ff58ab_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/UmHBe4)IMG_2066 (https://flic.kr/p/UmHBe4) by frederikleyers (https://www.flickr.com/photos/9316382@N04/), on Flickr

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2822/34323629946_dd1c6ecd21_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/Ui4znd)IMG_2070 (https://flic.kr/p/Ui4znd) by frederikleyers (https://www.flickr.com/photos/9316382@N04/), on Flickr

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4168/34364999515_0ce10eae94_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/UmHB6D)IMG_2068 (https://flic.kr/p/UmHB6D) by frederikleyers (https://www.flickr.com/photos/9316382@N04/), on Flickr

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2865/33554356943_dee037370c_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/T85Riz)IMG_2071 (https://flic.kr/p/T85Riz) by frederikleyers (https://www.flickr.com/photos/9316382@N04/), on Flickr

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2834/33554356673_15f694c3e9_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/T85RdV)IMG_2072 (https://flic.kr/p/T85RdV) by frederikleyers (https://www.flickr.com/photos/9316382@N04/), on Flickr

still have a lot of welding to do

ordered also a haynes manual

anyone has a suggestion for a good inside sealent(?) for all the joints and to put over the welds, ? thanks

greets


Title: Re: beta coupe 1979 - 1600 from belgium
Post by: fred2660 on May 02, 2017, 07:58:21 PM
started working on the left door today , a bit of rust but not too scary. more important the electric window is operating just fine. connected it to a battery and it went up and down, and up and down...woohoo!!

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4160/34027154530_5ebd8f1555_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/TQS4y7)IMG_2159 (https://flic.kr/p/TQS4y7) by frederikleyers (https://www.flickr.com/photos/9316382@N04/), on Flickr

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4160/34027153670_16202cf2b5_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/TQS4ih)IMG_2161 (https://flic.kr/p/TQS4ih) by frederikleyers (https://www.flickr.com/photos/9316382@N04/), on Flickr

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Title: Re: beta coupe 1979 - 1600 from belgium
Post by: Orbital on May 07, 2017, 05:48:30 PM
Nice work ! Not got to the doors yet on mine  :-\      .. I would advise using fiberglass or body filler on some of the worlds as you will probs allow water into the car.. that or it will just just again.  Rust primer and paint only does so much   .....


Title: Re: beta coupe 1979 - 1600 from belgium
Post by: fred2660 on May 26, 2017, 09:19:20 PM
little update. welded some more

corner of te hood

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rockers

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dissembeld the back calipers

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got some damage on a screw inside the caliper (dont know the name of the part)

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got to find to replace that. also still looking for the back struts (dont wanna buy them new)

greets


Title: Re: beta coupe 1979 - 1600 from belgium
Post by: Ricambi Storici on June 02, 2017, 10:24:42 PM
Hi there,

if you didnt solve please write me an email at ricambistorici@gmail.com 

I have a couple of Lancia original rear shock absorbers NEW (also front ones).

thanks peter

I ran into the next problem. I removed one of the back struts( ?) and find some...rust

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dont know if i am gonna fix this or search for other (better) ones. its quite a vital part of the car. dont know if i am able to fix it


one of my favourite tools

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Title: Re: beta coupe 1979 - 1600 from belgium
Post by: fred2660 on June 21, 2017, 05:45:45 PM
hello there, a little update. I have been working on the car less consistent lately. the welding is getting boring and frustrating, especially the upside down welding;

anyways. I redid the rear left inner fender. the car really starts to look like frankenstein

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I also made a new back panel. the original was too rusted and no longer usable. I am quite satisfied so far by this job. look for yourself

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after this the welding is almost done (hopefully)

later....


Title: Re: beta coupe 1979 - 1600 from belgium
Post by: Orbital on June 23, 2017, 11:03:42 PM
Good work.. though I find welding 100000 times better then rubbing down body filer which I can imagine u might be needing some...


Title: Re: beta coupe 1979 - 1600 from belgium
Post by: lanciamad on June 25, 2017, 06:12:01 PM
Great work, keep it up :)


Title: Re: beta coupe 1979 - 1600 from belgium
Post by: fred2660 on July 11, 2017, 07:34:16 PM
Hi

bored with the bodywork I started working on the brakes and suspension. Also new parts are comming in

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still looking for braking discs and the iron rings between the coil and the rubber in the rear suspension.

A lot of grinding and painting going on and today I reassebled a rear caliper. goddamn what a frustrating job. In the end I managed it but not looking forward for doing the other one. It took me more than two hours to find the way to do it, and i hope i did it right  (the posts in the technical pages were helpfull but in the end you have to find your own way)

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the other one, i will make more detailed fotos druing the process

cheers


Title: Re: beta coupe 1979 - 1600 from belgium
Post by: fred2660 on July 11, 2017, 09:29:29 PM
after rebuilding the caliper I keep on questioning myself how the whole mechanism works.  I dont understand how the piston can move up and down (by pressure of oil or air) in the caliper when the bolt in the back of the handbrake is screwed in the piston. the piston doesnt turn, neither does the bolt.

who can explain in easy words?
thanks


Title: Re: beta coupe 1979 - 1600 from belgium
Post by: Neil-yaj396 on July 12, 2017, 07:00:51 AM
after rebuilding the caliper I keep on questioning myself how the whole mechanism works.  I dont understand how the piston can move up and down (by pressure of oil or air) in the caliper when the bolt in the back of the handbrake is screwed in the piston. the piston doesnt turn, neither does the bolt.

who can explain in easy words?
thanks

Even a professional brake rebuilding company screwed up re-assembling my rear calipers, so not an easy job unfortunately.


Title: Re: beta coupe 1979 - 1600 from belgium
Post by: dougdee123 on July 12, 2017, 10:42:29 AM
The screw mechanism provides adjustment for the handbrake whilst the pads wear. The problem that is being solved is how to have two systems acting on the same pair of pads to provide retardation when in motion and to secure with the handbrake when stationary. When you assemble the caliper screw the adjuster part all the way in whilst still aligning the components. This acts as a ratchet adjuster. Visualize the cylinder moving toward the pad but the screw insert not being allowed to rotate. the intermediate section will rotate on the thread but not when the handbrake is activated.

The piston  should be fully inside its cylinder when you assemble everything and fit it to the car. When you pump the brakes in for the first time so that the pads are pressed onto the disc the screw thread of the adjuster will unwind and take up most of the travel so that it is near the disk for the use of the handbrake too. When your foot comes off the brake and the pressure in the braking system is off, the pads are free to come off the disc by an infinitesimally small amount allowing it not to bind.

The pads are then close to the disc and activating the handbrake applies a new force to press the pads onto the disc to hold the car. There is a a small tolerance of free movement so that the pads can again move off the disk when the handbrake is released.

I hope this helps.


Title: Re: beta coupe 1979 - 1600 from belgium
Post by: fred2660 on July 12, 2017, 07:51:17 PM
thanks dougdee, ok i'm starting to understand. the inner mechanism of the piston can rotate independatly, so the piston can go up and down whilst the screw does not turn.

I checked it

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thanks for the clarification

Now I had to start on the other caliper and knowing all this I decided to not to disassenble it totaly . I decided to leave the handbrake mechanism intact

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I cleaned it but didnt feel like to do the whole operation again. instead I would screw the piston over the screw from the top off the caliper.
I cleaned the inside of the caliper and placed the new o-ring wich i covered with some special grease. This grease makes it easyer for the piston to be pushed in

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then I screwed the piston in and placed the new dustcap

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I also put a lot of grease on the lever mechanism and replaced that dustcap also

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Now I can put it away and wait until I can install it.
Any suggestions or remarks, please shoot.

thanks, fred


Title: Re: beta coupe 1979 - 1600 from belgium
Post by: peteracs on July 12, 2017, 08:10:49 PM
Interesting, just curious why use grease, albeit special type, rather than just use brake fluid to lubricate the bore?

Peter


Title: Re: beta coupe 1979 - 1600 from belgium
Post by: fred2660 on July 12, 2017, 10:21:24 PM
Interesting, just curious why use grease, albeit special type, rather than just use brake fluid to lubricate the bore?


Someone told me to do it and i bought it, but dont think it is so important (the tube is almost 10 years old  :D)


Title: Re: beta coupe 1979 - 1600 from belgium
Post by: fred2660 on July 29, 2017, 06:38:46 PM
started to put some sealent on the weldings and corners of the body

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think i am gonna grind it a little bit when its hard to make it a bit smooth. after that a coat of black paint


two guys of a car bodyshop came to look at the car and the weldings. they said i did a good job ( me happy)

greets


Title: Re: beta coupe 1979 - 1600 from belgium
Post by: fred2660 on August 09, 2017, 10:37:31 AM
some of my self made tools and home set-ups.
sometimes they work, sometimes not.  removing the wheelbearing from the rear hub is a real battle

now I am thinking to replace the ARB bushes with the rubber ones or the PU ones. any thoughts?


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Title: Re: beta coupe 1979 - 1600 from belgium
Post by: fred2660 on August 11, 2017, 01:25:10 PM
after a couple of days strugling with the vice and hammers and a lot of frustration i decided to buy a cheap hydraulic press. in a couple of minutes the hub was released from the axle and the bearing was out of the hub.  :)  It looks like the former owner has 'worked' on this hub already

also bought new wheel bearings of QH, relatively cheap

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Title: Re: beta coupe 1979 - 1600 from belgium
Post by: fred2660 on August 26, 2017, 03:18:32 PM
I am working on the front suspension. I dismantled the front wishbones and ordered new bushes. In the haynes manual there is a difficult explanation how to remove and replace them, needing special tools. Off course I dont have those tools, and i dont think my replacement bushes are originals. They seem to be Poly.

My plan was to use the spacers from the old bushes and reuse that and just press the new bushes in. Has somebody any experience with this . comments are highly appreciated. Thanks

I also bought new rear ARB bushes (photos later)

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Title: Re: beta coupe 1979 - 1600 from belgium
Post by: peteracs on August 27, 2017, 10:51:44 PM
Hi

For the front bushes, a press or long bolt etc will do to get the new bushes in. I used Poly ones and I put the bushes in first by hand and then pressed the central spindles in after, cannot remember if I needed to use a bolt to do it or not, guess it depends how difficult the bushes prove to be.

Peter


Title: Re: beta coupe 1979 - 1600 from belgium
Post by: fred2660 on September 27, 2017, 07:01:44 PM
a little update after a lot off work.

reinstalled back suspension
making new brake pipes
painted tha interior
took the engine out
...

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disassembling the brake booster was hell. I couldn't reach the top bolts so I had to disassemble the pedals also (which wasnt the plan). In the haynes manual its easy explained how to take the pedals out, but reality was something else. I fear the day I have to reinstall them

the engine bay is quite dirty but the metal is good.

like i said earlier I installed new rear suspension struts. after installing the whole thing and putting the tires back on, it seems to me that the car is sitting high (?) like you can see on the photos.

next job is cleaning and painting the engine bay, cleaning the subframe and installing the front suspension again. than I wil start with filler.

greets


Title: Re: beta coupe 1979 - 1600 from belgium
Post by: fred2660 on September 29, 2017, 08:11:21 PM
remember I said the metal was good.... aaaahh wishfull thinking

the lower front off the engine bay is a bit rusted. Because the subframe is bolted here to the frame , and I don't want to weld upside down no more, I've cut the whole profile out, so I can repair it in a comfortable , propper way.


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Title: Re: beta coupe 1979 - 1600 from belgium
Post by: RichB on September 30, 2017, 01:32:27 PM
This guy deserves a medal! Keep it up Fred!


Title: Re: beta coupe 1979 - 1600 from belgium
Post by: cheeky monkey on September 30, 2017, 05:38:21 PM
Such well documented hard work. Please keep sharing the progress


Title: Re: beta coupe 1979 - 1600 from belgium
Post by: betaveloce on October 02, 2017, 12:29:29 PM
It looks like this is going to be one the best sorted Betas in Belgium when it's finished  :o
Keep up the good work!  ;)


Title: Re: beta coupe 1979 - 1600 from belgium
Post by: smithymc on October 03, 2017, 07:40:56 AM
Inspirational work all round.

Keep it up.

Mark


Title: Re: beta coupe 1979 - 1600 from belgium
Post by: betaveloce on October 03, 2017, 08:38:24 AM
By the way Fred, if you need some more parts: https://www.2dehands.be/autos/lancia/overige-modellen/a-vendre-373887919.html (https://www.2dehands.be/autos/lancia/overige-modellen/a-vendre-373887919.html)
 ;D


Title: Re: beta coupe 1979 - 1600 from belgium
Post by: fred2660 on October 07, 2017, 07:42:22 PM
thanks boys for the coments

@betaveloce: If i had the space...

I repared the front profile. there was quite a lot of rust and i had to replace a lot of metal. I decided not to cut(?) the welds away.
the welding is going better and better


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I seperated the subframe from the engine. very dirty and a bit of rust. The rust is on both sides of the frame on the same place. There is also a piece that is pressed in, probably from jacking up the car.

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pressed in, so i cutted out

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greats, fred


Title: Re: beta coupe 1979 - 1600 from belgium
Post by: fred2660 on October 13, 2017, 04:50:50 PM
some new parts arrived. had to wait a long time for them. But if you look some on the internet you can do some good deals

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realy happy with the gaskets,

some parts drying and waiting to be installed.

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the subframe is out to be sanded and powdercoated. I was realy fed up with the grinding

greats


Title: Re: beta coupe 1979 - 1600 from belgium
Post by: fred2660 on October 22, 2017, 02:26:51 PM
What do you do on a lazy sunday afternoon?        ..... you rebuild your master brake cilinder

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finished


the replacement kit was good. All the seals fitted perfectly



Title: Re: beta coupe 1979 - 1600 from belgium
Post by: peteracs on October 22, 2017, 08:11:39 PM
Hi

Nice work, I enjoyed rebuilding the master cylinder, less so the front wheel cylinders with the really difficult retaining ring.....

On the lower ball joints for the front wishbones, I found one of the new ones I bought, different suppliers for both bought at different times, had too high a threaded section and had to cut it down, otherwise it fouled the drive shaft assembly. I think it was a Delphi one from memory.

Peter


Title: Re: beta coupe 1979 - 1600 from belgium
Post by: fred2660 on October 24, 2017, 06:14:57 PM
@ peter: you are right. the new balljoint is probably gonna get too high


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meanwhile I have put the engine on an enginestand

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gonna work a bit on cleaning the thing. its so dirty (promise to myself: next time i do a restoration, i have to have some kind of sandblaster)



During the work on the car I sometimes encounter 'yellow marks'.  Is this a factory thing or something a previous owner has done?

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greats


Title: Re: beta coupe 1979 - 1600 from belgium
Post by: HFStuart on October 25, 2017, 04:40:57 PM
It looks like that ball joint I designed to mount under the wishbone rather than on top of it.


Title: Re: beta coupe 1979 - 1600 from belgium
Post by: peteracs on October 25, 2017, 05:31:13 PM
Hi Stuart

The issue is not that. If you mount top or bottom, the thread length and taper still mean the thread butts up against the CV joint when fully tightened.

Peter


Title: Re: beta coupe 1979 - 1600 from belgium
Post by: HFStuart on October 25, 2017, 05:33:45 PM
Ah, gotcha!


Title: Re: beta coupe 1979 - 1600 from belgium
Post by: fred2660 on October 28, 2017, 04:55:04 PM
Got the subframe back so I could weld the front profile back in

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meanwhile I cleaned the oilpump

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question: I have never rebuild an engine before. Is it difficult to replace the head gasket?

cya
 


Title: Re: beta coupe 1979 - 1600 from belgium
Post by: HFStuart on October 28, 2017, 05:08:21 PM
Check the oil pump clearances while it's apart.


Head gaskets are pretty simple with the engine out. You might want to think about new head bolts.


Title: Re: beta coupe 1979 - 1600 from belgium
Post by: rossocorsa on October 29, 2017, 12:27:15 PM
As regards head gasket you may want to consider changing to stretch type bolts, very late betas used this type, I think many later lancias use the same bolt spec, you would need some ribe tools to tighten them. Also consider modifying the top metal coolant pipe to late spec as on VX, helps with pressure in cylinder head reduces risk of HGF from memory it's just a couple of very short extra pipes to add on


Title: Re: beta coupe 1979 - 1600 from belgium
Post by: fred2660 on October 30, 2017, 05:55:18 PM
damn. I checked the oilpump clearance and not good.  Tha manual says max 0.15 mm between the gears. I can put 0.2mm between some gears.

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what do you think? have to change it?

also the manual says min lenght of the spring is 26.3 mm. Mine measures more like 25.8.

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(the photo gives a not so accurate image)



My pump has as part number 82317269

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the manual gives other partnumbers

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I also found some metal on several different locations in the oil channel. (some in the oil pump, others in the oil breather)
they are all the same

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any thoughts ?


Title: Re: beta coupe 1979 - 1600 from belgium
Post by: HFStuart on October 30, 2017, 10:10:03 PM
Very odd. Fine turnings of some sort?


Title: Re: beta coupe 1979 - 1600 from belgium
Post by: rossocorsa on October 30, 2017, 10:21:33 PM
To me they look like a small spring clip that would go around a shaft but I can't think of anywhere that such a clip would be on a beta.


As regards clearances and spring spec. See the link below

https://photos.app.goo.gl/jDAyzLiwVkj3vuPD3


Title: Re: beta coupe 1979 - 1600 from belgium
Post by: HFStuart on October 30, 2017, 11:37:28 PM
Remnants of a badly stripped thread?


Title: Re: beta coupe 1979 - 1600 from belgium
Post by: rossocorsa on October 31, 2017, 09:59:33 AM
Remnants of a badly stripped thread?
Remnants of a failed helicoil?


Title: Re: beta coupe 1979 - 1600 from belgium
Post by: fred2660 on October 31, 2017, 11:21:48 AM
I think they are copper. They are not magnetic, i checked.


Title: Re: beta coupe 1979 - 1600 from belgium
Post by: lanciamad on October 31, 2017, 04:48:45 PM
Could be the flame trap in the breather hose somehow disintegrated and found it's way around everywhere?
http://www.ricambio.co.uk/1601-breather-hose-flame-trap--classic-fiat-500-126-classic-panda-uno-cinquecento-punto-new-500 (http://www.ricambio.co.uk/1601-breather-hose-flame-trap--classic-fiat-500-126-classic-panda-uno-cinquecento-punto-new-500)


Title: Re: beta coupe 1979 - 1600 from belgium
Post by: fred2660 on October 31, 2017, 06:51:26 PM
Could be the flame trap in the breather hose somehow disintegrated and found it's way around everywhere?
http://www.ricambio.co.uk/1601-breather-hose-flame-trap--classic-fiat-500-126-classic-panda-uno-cinquecento-punto-new-500 (http://www.ricambio.co.uk/1601-breather-hose-flame-trap--classic-fiat-500-126-classic-panda-uno-cinquecento-punto-new-500)

yes, that must be it.     

damn, then there are still a lot of metal pieces to be found. I checked both hoses connected to the breather, but nothing to be found there.


Title: Re: beta coupe 1979 - 1600 from belgium
Post by: fred2660 on November 03, 2017, 04:33:10 PM
Okay, so I ordered a new flame trap (and some other things).

Not knowing what the function of the oil breather (or crankcase breather) is , i searched some on the internet. This video gives a good explanation of what it does and what the flame trap does.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dkNand6EiFM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dkNand6EiFM)


I took some pictures of the bottom of the oil breather. Is this complete or is there some part missing (besides the hoses and the bolt)


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(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4575/38085652626_62f1e00e9e_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/212uVDd)IMG_3371 (https://flic.kr/p/212uVDd) by frederikleyers (https://www.flickr.com/photos/9316382@N04/), on Flickr

thqnks


Title: Re: beta coupe 1979 - 1600 from belgium
Post by: capriblu on November 03, 2017, 05:26:22 PM
Have recently taken my unit off for general clean up and re-fit with new seal  (where it locates in port on block).  Looked just like your unit in photo.  Interestingly I didnt appreciate the function of strange gauze/wire in the exit hose - was a bit of a deformed mess but nothng loose, duly discarded.  I'll see if I can make something simple to substitute.


Title: Re: beta coupe 1979 - 1600 from belgium
Post by: fred2660 on November 12, 2017, 06:29:32 PM
I am in dubio and like your advice.

I dont know the condition of the engine. I have had it started briefly but never drove it. Dont know the compression. Now I got the engine on an engine stand and i am thinking what should I do with it. Leave it like it is, or changing the head gasket or even disassemble the wole head , and why not do a total engine rebuild?

Is there any complete rebuild topic of the engine somewhere on the internet? I have looked but not found

I got the 828B000 engine bloc and 4314402 head

are there things I can check to see the condition of the engine (valves not closing, piston rings leaking,...?)

I have checked the sparkplugs and there is a lot of dry carbon on it.      but i think the wrong plugs were installed:  bpr6es instead of bpr7es





Title: Re: beta coupe 1979 - 1600 from belgium
Post by: fred2660 on November 13, 2017, 06:56:38 PM
Bwaa, 'just do it', Nike used to say, so.... i took the head off.  The 10 headbolts all said 'tack', first i thought i was damaging them.

I am not a mechanic, (all my automotive knowledge comes from youtube, discovery channel, and if i am not to lazy the haynes manual) but at first sight i have tree remarks:


1) Like the spark plugs showed, the whole combustion rooms are all carbonised

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(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4534/38339352256_4837f29487_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/21pVcGL)IMG_3380 (https://flic.kr/p/21pVcGL) by frederikleyers (https://www.flickr.com/photos/9316382@N04/), on Flickr

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4578/38339351676_f2ccbf3296_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/21pVcwL)IMG_3381 (https://flic.kr/p/21pVcwL) by frederikleyers (https://www.flickr.com/photos/9316382@N04/), on Flickr

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4552/38394503221_90724b6017_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/21uMSat)IMG_3382 (https://flic.kr/p/21uMSat) by frederikleyers (https://www.flickr.com/photos/9316382@N04/), on Flickr

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4547/38339350566_d3a0d48ea4_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/21pVccC)IMG_3385 (https://flic.kr/p/21pVccC) by frederikleyers (https://www.flickr.com/photos/9316382@N04/), on Flickr

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4584/38339340886_87ef376212_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/21pV9jJ)IMG_3416 (https://flic.kr/p/21pV9jJ) by frederikleyers (https://www.flickr.com/photos/9316382@N04/), on Flickr

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4535/38339349766_16a06fa87c_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/21pVbXQ)IMG_3387 (https://flic.kr/p/21pVbXQ) by frederikleyers (https://www.flickr.com/photos/9316382@N04/), on Flickr

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4567/38339349386_0876642157_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/21pVbRh)IMG_3388 (https://flic.kr/p/21pVbRh) by frederikleyers (https://www.flickr.com/photos/9316382@N04/), on Flickr

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4538/38339349056_a2b493e25f_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/21pVbKA)IMG_3389 (https://flic.kr/p/21pVbKA) by frederikleyers (https://www.flickr.com/photos/9316382@N04/), on Flickr

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4579/38394515961_398f00b749_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/21uMVX8)IMG_3391 (https://flic.kr/p/21uMVX8) by frederikleyers (https://www.flickr.com/photos/9316382@N04/), on Flickr

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4586/37680363544_056a819463_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/ZpFHjq)IMG_3392 (https://flic.kr/p/ZpFHjq) by frederikleyers (https://www.flickr.com/photos/9316382@N04/), on Flickr

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4549/37680363064_11e69ccde9_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/ZpFHb9)IMG_3393 (https://flic.kr/p/ZpFHb9) by frederikleyers (https://www.flickr.com/photos/9316382@N04/), on Flickr

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4531/37680361464_8cfb5009ab_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/ZpFGGy)IMG_3395 (https://flic.kr/p/ZpFGGy) by frederikleyers (https://www.flickr.com/photos/9316382@N04/), on Flickr

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4542/37680360094_66468e762d_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/ZpFGhW)IMG_3398 (https://flic.kr/p/ZpFGhW) by frederikleyers (https://www.flickr.com/photos/9316382@N04/), on Flickr

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4543/37680356504_98419b8c7b_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/ZpFFe3)IMG_3403 (https://flic.kr/p/ZpFFe3) by frederikleyers (https://www.flickr.com/photos/9316382@N04/), on Flickr

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2) the cilinders are quite smooth, no edges. but ons two cilinders there are some scratches

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(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4553/26618798639_90553a6589_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/Gydis8)IMG_3407 (https://flic.kr/p/Gydis8) by frederikleyers (https://www.flickr.com/photos/9316382@N04/), on Flickr

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4557/37680349414_4e018eb44a_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/ZpFD7N)IMG_3413 (https://flic.kr/p/ZpFD7N) by frederikleyers (https://www.flickr.com/photos/9316382@N04/), on Flickr

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4522/38394503821_d1e6026fd2_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/21uMSkP)IMG_3419 (https://flic.kr/p/21uMSkP) by frederikleyers (https://www.flickr.com/photos/9316382@N04/), on Flickr


3) on one piston there is a little piece on the edge broken off

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(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4566/38339340446_d3f56cbda4_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/21pV9c9)IMG_3417 (https://flic.kr/p/21pV9c9) by frederikleyers (https://www.flickr.com/photos/9316382@N04/), on Flickr

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4528/26618795779_d4d05c1444_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/GydhAP)IMG_3418 (https://flic.kr/p/GydhAP) by frederikleyers (https://www.flickr.com/photos/9316382@N04/), on Flickr

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4530/26618795329_8f51e2ab8c_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/Gydht4)IMG_3420 (https://flic.kr/p/Gydht4) by frederikleyers (https://www.flickr.com/photos/9316382@N04/), on Flickr


any thoughts?



Title: Re: beta coupe 1979 - 1600 from belgium
Post by: WestonE on November 20, 2017, 06:41:33 PM
Your engine has been running rich which is why you have black carbon not chocolate brown. Because of this expect worn bores from the excess fuel washing the oil away. You need to measure the bores using a bore gauge against the specification allowed, but I would expect you to need oversize pistons and a re-bore to get the best from the engine.

Eric 


Title: Re: beta coupe 1979 - 1600 from belgium
Post by: fred2660 on March 12, 2018, 11:23:33 AM
After  a long winter break I started working on the car again. On the rear end of the car there were some old repairs from a previous restauration. I decided to cut away these patches. Luckely because there was rust on the back side.

Old patches welded over the rust:

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(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4775/39869594775_0aba0b59b8_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/23K96ut)IMG_3605 (https://flic.kr/p/23K96ut) by frederikleyers (https://www.flickr.com/photos/9316382@N04/), on Flickr

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4778/40722336332_beccabb380_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/253uBR7)IMG_3606 (https://flic.kr/p/253uBR7) by frederikleyers (https://www.flickr.com/photos/9316382@N04/), on Flickr


my repairs so far

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(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4777/26894022778_9412626575_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/GYwTZU)IMG_3593 (https://flic.kr/p/GYwTZU) by frederikleyers (https://www.flickr.com/photos/9316382@N04/), on Flickr

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4786/26894022348_48931f2c6a_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/GYwTSu)IMG_3595 (https://flic.kr/p/GYwTSu) by frederikleyers (https://www.flickr.com/photos/9316382@N04/), on Flickr

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4782/26894022038_0f71db73fb_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/GYwTM9)IMG_3596 (https://flic.kr/p/GYwTM9) by frederikleyers (https://www.flickr.com/photos/9316382@N04/), on Flickr

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4781/26894020838_8c881c63a2_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/GYwTqs)IMG_3597 (https://flic.kr/p/GYwTqs) by frederikleyers (https://www.flickr.com/photos/9316382@N04/), on Flickr

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4787/26894021678_125c0bbd40_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/GYwTEW)IMG_3599 (https://flic.kr/p/GYwTEW) by frederikleyers (https://www.flickr.com/photos/9316382@N04/), on Flickr

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4783/26894021178_f7bcf5caf3_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/GYwTwj)IMG_3601 (https://flic.kr/p/GYwTwj) by frederikleyers (https://www.flickr.com/photos/9316382@N04/), on Flickr

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4786/40054614394_22d5a5cea2_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/242unnU)IMG_3600 (https://flic.kr/p/242unnU) by frederikleyers (https://www.flickr.com/photos/9316382@N04/), on Flickr

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4777/40054613974_b8b47c16b7_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/242unfE)IMG_3602 (https://flic.kr/p/242unfE) by frederikleyers (https://www.flickr.com/photos/9316382@N04/), on Flickr

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4772/40054613704_b6aa4a8876_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/242unb1)IMG_3603 (https://flic.kr/p/242unb1) by frederikleyers (https://www.flickr.com/photos/9316382@N04/), on Flickr


hope to start with filler soon now

grts



Title: Re: beta coupe 1979 - 1600 from belgium
Post by: fred2660 on April 24, 2018, 06:57:36 PM
I did a rebuild of the carb (weber 34 datr, 1/250)

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(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/905/40965054324_4fb1d36b99_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/25pWBs5)IMG_3639 (https://flic.kr/p/25pWBs5) by frederikleyers (https://www.flickr.com/photos/9316382@N04/), on Flickr

(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/977/40965055984_1034d0807f_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/25pWBWG)IMG_3634 (https://flic.kr/p/25pWBWG) by frederikleyers (https://www.flickr.com/photos/9316382@N04/), on Flickr

(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/943/40965056234_2541f264ae_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/25pWC21)IMG_3633 (https://flic.kr/p/25pWC21) by frederikleyers (https://www.flickr.com/photos/9316382@N04/), on Flickr

(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/911/40965056404_0fd2467fcc_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/25pWC4W)IMG_3632 (https://flic.kr/p/25pWC4W) by frederikleyers (https://www.flickr.com/photos/9316382@N04/), on Flickr



rebuiild the front struts and put them on the car together with the subframe

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Title: Re: beta coupe 1979 - 1600 from belgium
Post by: skidmarc on April 24, 2018, 07:11:01 PM
nice work hope you are enjoying your restoration.your car is going to look great when finished


Title: Re: beta coupe 1979 - 1600 from belgium
Post by: betaveloce on April 25, 2018, 08:18:02 AM
nice work Fred  ;)


Title: Re: beta coupe 1979 - 1600 from belgium
Post by: Orbital on April 25, 2018, 08:59:47 PM
Good work as always !


What welder are you using ?

George


Title: Re: beta coupe 1979 - 1600 from belgium
Post by: fred2660 on April 28, 2018, 04:54:07 PM
Good work as always !


What welder are you using ?

George

thanks,

I use a mig welder
http://www.contimac.be/nl/product/41233219405358/mig-mag-contimac/basicline/ecomig-175 (http://www.contimac.be/nl/product/41233219405358/mig-mag-contimac/basicline/ecomig-175)


Title: Re: beta coupe 1979 - 1600 from belgium
Post by: fred2660 on April 28, 2018, 07:24:46 PM
So I am rebuilding the front suspension. I installed the wishbones, new balljoints and the cv joints. I found a little hole in the boots off the outer cv joint, so I decided to replace them. I ordered hole new cv kits, inner and outer.


I removed the boots from the shaft, removed the inner cv joint but I can't get the drive shaft from the outer cv joint. Thats where I am stuck for the moment.
BTW: a lot of grease today

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the famous yellow mark again


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(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/979/26893860397_80802fcab6_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/GYw4Je)IMG_3728 (https://flic.kr/p/GYw4Je) by frederikleyers (https://www.flickr.com/photos/9316382@N04/), on Flickr

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(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/952/41720748592_56b5fd3ce4_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/26yHK2A)IMG_3731 (https://flic.kr/p/26yHK2A) by frederikleyers (https://www.flickr.com/photos/9316382@N04/), on Flickr

(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/865/26893859457_bab96da2e2_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/GYw4s2)IMG_3739 (https://flic.kr/p/GYw4s2) by frederikleyers (https://www.flickr.com/photos/9316382@N04/), on Flickr

(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/827/40862877385_fca0008aa3_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/25fUVNH)IMG_3740 (https://flic.kr/p/25fUVNH) by frederikleyers (https://www.flickr.com/photos/9316382@N04/), on Flickr



(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/906/26893859827_c2de1da762_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/GYw4yp)IMG_3734 (https://flic.kr/p/GYw4yp) by frederikleyers (https://www.flickr.com/photos/9316382@N04/), on Flickr

I had this side already build before I found the hole i the boot

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(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/956/26893859637_295e767558_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/GYw4v8)IMG_3737 (https://flic.kr/p/GYw4v8) by frederikleyers (https://www.flickr.com/photos/9316382@N04/), on Flickr

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Title: Re: beta coupe 1979 - 1600 from belgium
Post by: peteracs on April 30, 2018, 03:09:53 PM
Hi

To get the driveshaft off the outer CV I would separate the CV from the hub carrier, then I used a soft metal hammer or steel one if you are replacing the CV and clamped the driveshaft in a vice with the CV hanging don. You then have to strike the CV downwards hard. This is to force the round circling on the shaft to compress and allow the shaft to come out of the CV....

Not elegant, but I do not know of another way!

Peter


Title: Re: beta coupe 1979 - 1600 from belgium
Post by: fred2660 on May 04, 2018, 08:09:54 PM
thanks peter. I managed to do it.... but I got a lot of questions

I dissassembles the both joints, cleaned the parts and reassembled them again

I received the replacement cv joint kits, but i am in doubt of using them. like you can see on the next photo the shaft that goes in the bearing is ribbled instead of the factory one

(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/866/28021511058_79726c07a1_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/JGayZ1)IMG_3796 (https://flic.kr/p/JGayZ1) by frederikleyers (https://www.flickr.com/photos/9316382@N04/), on Flickr


There was a gasket included with the inner joint. Where does that go?

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(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/956/28021510128_9777b6ce9b_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/JGayGY)IMG_3799 (https://flic.kr/p/JGayGY) by frederikleyers (https://www.flickr.com/photos/9316382@N04/), on Flickr

(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/982/27023012007_47260c3c04_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/HaW118)IMG_3800 (https://flic.kr/p/HaW118) by frederikleyers (https://www.flickr.com/photos/9316382@N04/), on Flickr

(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/955/27023011787_33a438bbe1_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/HaVZWk)IMG_3802 (https://flic.kr/p/HaVZWk) by frederikleyers (https://www.flickr.com/photos/9316382@N04/), on Flickr

(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/950/28021509578_ba9af66125_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/JGayxu)IMG_3803 (https://flic.kr/p/JGayxu) by frederikleyers (https://www.flickr.com/photos/9316382@N04/), on Flickr

(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/829/28021509308_61eae8065f_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/JGaysQ)IMG_3805 (https://flic.kr/p/JGaysQ) by frederikleyers (https://www.flickr.com/photos/9316382@N04/), on Flickr

(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/961/28021508228_59d09f1edc_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/JGay9d)IMG_3806 (https://flic.kr/p/JGay9d) by frederikleyers (https://www.flickr.com/photos/9316382@N04/), on Flickr

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and finaly: I tought the wheel bearings in the front and rear hub were the same, ...not on my car. they are way smaller then the rear bearings

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(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/963/40992550785_74a81a3682_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/25snxbZ)IMG_3795 (https://flic.kr/p/25snxbZ) by frederikleyers (https://www.flickr.com/photos/9316382@N04/), on Flickr


Title: Re: beta coupe 1979 - 1600 from belgium
Post by: peteracs on May 04, 2018, 11:04:10 PM
Hi

The longer splines should not be an issue. The main problem I had with the CV I had was to do with the flange which interfered with the bearing when the whole thing was tightened up. This flange is the replacement for the dust ring which you have removed from the original CV. I had to have it machined to accept the ring. Your Cv may be more compatible and not bind when fully tightened hopefully.

Peter


Title: Re: beta coupe 1979 - 1600 from belgium
Post by: fred2660 on May 11, 2018, 08:21:28 PM
started with the filler. its the first time i do this and follow the instructions from some youtube video. I think its gonna take a lot of time...and dust

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the back section, I have to reform it because I welded a selfmade panel i it, but I don't want to use a too thick layer of filler.  So these pictures are my first attempt to get a nice shape. The smoothness is not yet an issue here


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(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/910/28170411518_9780f903eb_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/JVjHUj)IMG_3826 (https://flic.kr/p/JVjHUj) by frederikleyers (https://www.flickr.com/photos/9316382@N04/), on Flickr

(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/824/28170411268_83b19337be_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/JVjHQ1)IMG_3827 (https://flic.kr/p/JVjHQ1) by frederikleyers (https://www.flickr.com/photos/9316382@N04/), on Flickr

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The tips of the hood...


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(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/981/28170409878_71b095ed65_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/JVjHq3)IMG_3838 (https://flic.kr/p/JVjHq3) by frederikleyers (https://www.flickr.com/photos/9316382@N04/), on Flickr

(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/907/42043960461_4b3ec53cb9_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/274hhE2)IMG_3840 (https://flic.kr/p/274hhE2) by frederikleyers (https://www.flickr.com/photos/9316382@N04/), on Flickr

(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/908/42043959361_a55767c8a7_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/274hhk4)IMG_3841 (https://flic.kr/p/274hhk4) by frederikleyers (https://www.flickr.com/photos/9316382@N04/), on Flickr


grts


Title: Re: beta coupe 1979 - 1600 from belgium
Post by: fred2660 on May 17, 2018, 04:31:43 PM
Hi, anybody knows where I can buy these clips to fit the fenders to the body? And where I can find other clips. thanks


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(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/966/42172019481_c2d17f9d70_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/27fAC9a)IMG_3844 (https://flic.kr/p/27fAC9a) by frederikleyers (https://www.flickr.com/photos/9316382@N04/), on Flickr

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Title: Re: beta coupe 1979 - 1600 from belgium
Post by: HFStuart on May 17, 2018, 08:32:57 PM
I think these are pretty close

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/White-Square-Car-Body-Plastic-Push-Pin-Rivet-Fasteners-Trim-Moulding-Clip-50-Pcs/282632003960?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649 (https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/White-Square-Car-Body-Plastic-Push-Pin-Rivet-Fasteners-Trim-Moulding-Clip-50-Pcs/282632003960?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649)


Title: Re: beta coupe 1979 - 1600 from belgium
Post by: fred2660 on May 18, 2018, 06:52:39 AM
I searched the internet some last night and found this polish website, http://www.auto-spinka.pl/en_GB/c/Lancia/3322 (http://www.auto-spinka.pl/en_GB/c/Lancia/3322)  (no worries they have an english version)

I made a little order and will tell if they fit when the clips arrive (shipping costs are low)

grts


Title: Re: beta coupe 1979 - 1600 from belgium
Post by: fred2660 on May 24, 2018, 05:26:05 PM
the parts arrived and they look quite good

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(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/977/42325289931_4a92bb3efb_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/27u9b78)IMG_3853 (https://flic.kr/p/27u9b78) by frederikleyers (https://www.flickr.com/photos/9316382@N04/), on Flickr

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Title: Re: beta coupe 1979 - 1600 from belgium
Post by: peteracs on May 24, 2018, 08:25:41 PM
Hi

That looks like a good result, I may we'll get some as I was short of usable ones from memory.

Peter


Title: Re: beta coupe 1979 - 1600 from belgium
Post by: WestonE on May 25, 2018, 06:45:35 PM
Well done for finding those clips. Just what I need

Eric


Title: Re: beta coupe 1979 - 1600 from belgium
Post by: fred2660 on June 03, 2018, 07:36:03 PM
bored with prepping filler and sanding I cleaned the valves. THey are still within spec

right is the finished one

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(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1735/42541672611_13044a75fe_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/27Pgc8Z)IMG_3860 (https://flic.kr/p/27Pgc8Z) by frederikleyers (https://www.flickr.com/photos/9316382@N04/), on Flickr

(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1734/41818707574_344744eda7_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/26HnNPy)IMG_3859 (https://flic.kr/p/26HnNPy) by frederikleyers (https://www.flickr.com/photos/9316382@N04/), on Flickr



Question on the valve springs: mine outer springs are without the specifications in the haynes manuel. they are a little too much pressed together. Replace them?
thanks, fred


Title: Re: beta coupe 1979 - 1600 from belgium
Post by: fred2660 on July 19, 2018, 07:01:20 PM
still working on the body. Definitely not my favourite part of the restoration proces.  It is frustraing because sometimes i may have worked for a couple of hours but I don't have the impression that i made some progress. And on these youtube videos these guys have all the time of the world to spread out the filler, but with me i really have to rush or the filler is already drying out.( sorry for the complaints)

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(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/862/29641212888_1c0d5c2e5c_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/MahXUC)IMG_3905 (https://flic.kr/p/MahXUC) by frederikleyers (https://www.flickr.com/photos/9316382@N04/), on Flickr

(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1789/29641210928_0314ed62c1_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/MahXjQ)IMG_3910 (https://flic.kr/p/MahXjQ) by frederikleyers (https://www.flickr.com/photos/9316382@N04/), on Flickr

(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/852/29641210558_a12da02f15_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/MahXds)IMG_3911 (https://flic.kr/p/MahXds) by frederikleyers (https://www.flickr.com/photos/9316382@N04/), on Flickr

(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1763/41704111700_0d1f585cc9_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/26xftsC)IMG_3913 (https://flic.kr/p/26xftsC) by frederikleyers (https://www.flickr.com/photos/9316382@N04/), on Flickr

(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/859/41704111250_06b9522fcd_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/26xftjS)IMG_3916 (https://flic.kr/p/26xftjS) by frederikleyers (https://www.flickr.com/photos/9316382@N04/), on Flickr

(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/857/29641209468_4e139062d9_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/MahWTE)IMG_3917 (https://flic.kr/p/MahWTE) by frederikleyers (https://www.flickr.com/photos/9316382@N04/), on Flickr

(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/848/29641208978_0c319f07a8_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/MahWKd)IMG_3919 (https://flic.kr/p/MahWKd) by frederikleyers (https://www.flickr.com/photos/9316382@N04/), on Flickr


My local paintshop is in holiday until the end of august, so that is my goal to have it ready for paint


Title: Re: beta coupe 1979 - 1600 from belgium
Post by: fred2660 on July 28, 2018, 06:54:57 PM
first it was gold, now it's grey... I sprayed a first layer of 2k primer which I have to block sand now. Probably gonna have to do two coats.   Things are getting better ;D

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the trunk I sanded already as a first attempt

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Title: Re: beta coupe 1979 - 1600 from belgium
Post by: RichB on July 30, 2018, 08:45:44 PM
Excellent work! Tres bien!
Rich


Title: Re: beta coupe 1979 - 1600 from belgium
Post by: cheeky monkey on July 30, 2018, 09:28:20 PM
looking really good Fred. Nice job
G


Title: Re: beta coupe 1979 - 1600 from belgium
Post by: fred2660 on August 12, 2018, 07:48:30 PM
replaced the doors and the trunk. Now it needs one more coat of primer and blocking, then it can go to the paintshop

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Title: Re: beta coupe 1979 - 1600 from belgium
Post by: fred2660 on August 31, 2018, 12:59:45 PM
Hi all

I started to put the engine back together. i forgat to take pictures during the process but what did i do?: I polished the valves , installed new valve springs, replaced all the gaskets and seals, new clutch, new clutch bearing, revised oil pump.

still have to change the timing belt, measure the shims and replace the head bolts. Is it so important to change the head bolts?

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Title: Re: beta coupe 1979 - 1600 from belgium
Post by: squiglyzigly on September 02, 2018, 08:33:45 PM
Itís very worthwhile changing the headbolts, and the stretch bolts used on the later 8v twin cams are a very good upgrade for reliability.


Title: Re: beta coupe 1979 - 1600 from belgium
Post by: rossocorsa on September 02, 2018, 09:04:53 PM
Itís very worthwhile changing the headbolts, and the stretch bolts used on the later 8v twin cams are a very good upgrade for reliability.

They were also used on late series Betas I don't remember when exactly from but it wasn't just VX models. The original beta stretch bolts used normal heads but are readily exchangeable wth the later ones wth Ribe style heads these offer a more positive grip for torquing up although you need to buy a set of Ribe bits


Title: Re: beta coupe 1979 - 1600 from belgium
Post by: betaveloce on October 24, 2018, 02:07:16 PM
Not out of the paintshop yet?  :)


Title: Re: beta coupe 1979 - 1600 from belgium
Post by: fred2660 on July 03, 2019, 06:44:46 PM
Its going to the paintshop pretty soon now. I took a long break from the Beta, but am motivated to go back at work.

Color is going to be Agnano Blue


Title: Re: beta coupe 1979 - 1600 from belgium
Post by: Sandro on July 04, 2019, 07:02:33 PM
I can't wait to see it.

A.


Title: Re: beta coupe 1979 - 1600 from belgium
Post by: fred2660 on August 02, 2019, 12:49:30 PM
These paint-guys make me crazy, you always have to wait so long before they do what they said

so still waiting


Title: Re: beta coupe 1979 - 1600 from belgium
Post by: betaveloce on August 02, 2019, 01:16:23 PM
These paint-guys make me crazy, you always have to wait so long before they do what they said

so still waiting

My HPE is in the paint shop since the 1st of February. It's in primer and ready to be painted for months now.
I hope they will get round to actually doing it in the next few weeks because I am starting to miss it :-\


Title: Re: beta coupe 1979 - 1600 from belgium
Post by: fred2660 on April 04, 2020, 04:14:50 PM
still not painted, but we are proceeding...

with this coronathing I have a lot of time so I started working on the car again. It still isn't painted because the transporter didn't want to do it until my steering was fixed, so started working on that

but got a question, i pulled the steering rack apart and there are two covers to bolt on the rack, but the haynes manual only mentions one torque setting. for the coverplate off the pinionhouse (19 NM)

What do you suggest as torque for the cover on top of the plastic retainer and the spring?

Thanks

https://photos.app.goo.gl/rK6WudwtwTMTw3jV9 (https://photos.app.goo.gl/rK6WudwtwTMTw3jV9)

https://photos.app.goo.gl/7pyqZno1gbhd1p2g9 (https://photos.app.goo.gl/7pyqZno1gbhd1p2g9)


(my flickr account costs money nowadays so i switched to google photos, but dont know how to put these pictures here directely)


Title: Re: beta coupe 1979 - 1600 from belgium
Post by: fred2660 on April 13, 2020, 12:13:29 PM
I placed the head on the block, used new head bolts

Also I reinstalled a new timing belt and made a little video of it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6vx9JgwGbms (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6vx9JgwGbms)


comments or suggestions are welcome

(paintshops in belgium are closed due to corona)


Title: Re: beta coupe 1979 - 1600 from belgium
Post by: betaveloce on April 15, 2020, 08:33:08 AM
Nice work Fred!
Looking forward to meeting up when your car's on the road  ;)


Title: Re: beta coupe 1979 - 1600 from belgium
Post by: fred2660 on April 16, 2020, 07:05:44 PM
ok, having a problem here. THe engine is out of the car. When I press in the clutch I can rotate the engine easy. When I dont press in the clutch I can't get any movement in the engine whem I try to cranck it. I think the gearbox is in neutral.

So im gonna pull the transmission of the engine and see what the problem is.

Can I remove the transmission leaving the bellhouse on the engine?  --> stupid question, now I know

Thanks
(have to find a way to post pictures)

https://www.facebook.com/groups/34046697401/?multi_permalinks=10158237197512402&notif_id=1586981910782347&notif_t=group_highlights (https://www.facebook.com/groups/34046697401/?multi_permalinks=10158237197512402&notif_id=1586981910782347&notif_t=group_highlights)


Title: Re: beta coupe 1979 - 1600 from belgium
Post by: fred2660 on May 14, 2020, 04:50:47 PM
Question. What is the best/easiest way to build in the engine? The car is out for paint, but stands on his wheels, so with subframe. Is it better to take of the hood and lower it in. Or should i take the subframe backboff when the car is back from paint? Thank you,

Fred


Title: Re: beta coupe 1979 - 1600 from belgium
Post by: HFStuart on May 14, 2020, 06:05:38 PM
I've always found it easier and quicker to put it in from underneath.

If you're limited as to how high you can lift the car you can slide the subframe in from the side  - the wheelarch gives you more room.


Title: Re: beta coupe 1979 - 1600 from belgium
Post by: fred2660 on June 15, 2020, 01:50:04 PM
I have done a compressiontest om my 1600

Dry
1: 190
2: 202
3: 200
4: 201

Wet
1: 205
2: 225
3: 225
4: 223

Is this okay?

Thanks


Title: Re: beta coupe 1979 - 1600 from belgium
Post by: WestonE on June 15, 2020, 05:06:48 PM
Assuming the engine was hot and the throttle wide open for all the tests you have a problem with number 1 and now need to do a leakage test on that cylinder to find out if it is valve, piston ring or head gasket related. Check the tappet clearances on that cylinder stone cold in case they have closed up leaving valves part open when they should be closed.

The leak test tells you if you are re-building the head or the engine.

Sorry

Eric

   


Title: Re: beta coupe 1979 - 1600 from belgium
Post by: fred2660 on June 15, 2020, 06:40:44 PM
The engine was cold. It is still out of the car

I installed a new head gasket
Checked the tappet clearance ans changed the shims
Used new head bolts
Polished the valves
...


Title: Re: beta coupe 1979 - 1600 from belgium
Post by: WestonE on June 15, 2020, 08:03:10 PM
Do Cylinder Leakage tests not compression tests. You can not test a cold engine reliably on a spinning compression test. If you started at number 4 with a fresh battery throttle wide open it will probably change again.

I the leak down is even fit it and when the smoke finally clears from the oil in the bores and it warms up fully do a compression test with a FULLY charged battery 10 seconds each cylinder.

Good luck.

Eric


Title: Re: beta coupe 1979 - 1600 from belgium
Post by: fred2660 on June 15, 2020, 08:44:42 PM
Damn, i hoped better news. I thought these results were quite ok.
Should i replace the pistonrings?

Pistons itself are hard to find or too expensive


Title: Re: beta coupe 1979 - 1600 from belgium
Post by: rossocorsa on June 15, 2020, 11:13:52 PM
I'm missing something here aren't those figures on the high side of good? Or an I thinking in the wrong units


Title: Re: beta coupe 1979 - 1600 from belgium
Post by: WestonE on June 16, 2020, 08:14:53 AM
Hi Alan

Consistency across cylinders within 5% is the goal 10% on a worn engine AND the test needs to be on a hot engine throttle wide open. If the leakage test shows no problem I would install it. If not you know exactly what to fix ie is it an issue with rings or valves on number 1 OR not an issue at all just not running a compression test correctly.

It also depends on the dome height of the pistons and the cam profile. On a standard Beta I would be happy with those numbers if they were done in the correct test.

Eric 


Title: Re: beta coupe 1979 - 1600 from belgium
Post by: fred2660 on July 08, 2020, 06:19:48 PM
car is back and started rebuild

the first moment I saw the colour I was like "did I ordered that". But now I am kinda happy with it, its not too serious, a bit funky.

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(https://i.ibb.co/4mhMvVx/20200708-184519.jpg) (https://ibb.co/h73HQmv)

pic mobile app (https://imgbb.com/)


replaced all brakeline. before I gonna build in the engine, i am gonna test the brakesystem on leaks


Title: Re: beta coupe 1979 - 1600 from belgium
Post by: betaveloce on July 10, 2020, 09:49:29 AM
Nice work  :)
And love the colour; very seventies-ish  ;D


Title: Re: beta coupe 1979 - 1600 from belgium
Post by: fred2660 on July 12, 2020, 06:55:32 PM
Trying to reinstall the clutch pedal with that massive spring.

Any tips?


Title: Re: beta coupe 1979 - 1600 from belgium
Post by: fred2660 on July 14, 2020, 09:43:38 PM
Question, before reinstalling the engine, which parts i should certainly have placed?

Thanks


Title: Re: beta coupe 1979 - 1600 from belgium
Post by: Neil-yaj396 on July 15, 2020, 07:52:20 AM
Steering rack; but I think you already have that in....


Title: Re: beta coupe 1979 - 1600 from belgium
Post by: fred2660 on July 20, 2020, 08:28:38 PM
EUREKA, I managed to install the clutch pedal. It was by far the hardest job so far.
There is a pic of all the tools I in one way or the other have used installing the damn thing

I changed the filter in the fueltank. I used a part of classic VW Beetles

I made the gear linkage rod

And replaced the clutch cable which is a bit different from the original one



(https://i.ibb.co/WsX1JyB/20200709-132752.jpg) (https://ibb.co/t365rsY)

(https://i.ibb.co/RHWPZ3m/20200709-132805.jpg) (https://ibb.co/cTdtM6H)

(https://i.ibb.co/9cw73hX/20200709-150537.jpg) (https://ibb.co/YPDxTX9)

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(https://i.ibb.co/hCS5zCt/20200709-153914.jpg) (https://ibb.co/TrsX3rF)

(https://i.ibb.co/0J1mR1F/20200710-155252.jpg) (https://ibb.co/ThJYxJb)


(https://i.ibb.co/f0yn6KH/20200712-164857.jpg) (https://ibb.co/Th7bjnt)

(https://i.ibb.co/yXZSFc7/20200712-165031.jpg) (https://ibb.co/VtzmYc5)

(https://i.ibb.co/Xbg9NjL/20200720-203628.jpg) (https://ibb.co/CzZqNm8)

(https://i.ibb.co/gz7N9wr/20200720-203631.jpg) (https://ibb.co/NZ35CpF)

(https://i.ibb.co/dBqJx2K/20200720-203636.jpg) (https://ibb.co/SN87Gnv)

(https://i.ibb.co/h9tPgCg/20200720-203706.jpg) (https://ibb.co/2hfDF5F)


Next job: placing the engine

grts, fred


Title: Re: beta coupe 1979 - 1600 from belgium
Post by: peteracs on July 20, 2020, 09:26:05 PM
I like the fuel filter!


Title: Re: beta coupe 1979 - 1600 from belgium
Post by: Sandro on July 21, 2020, 10:08:39 AM
Fred,

You must by now have an intimate knowledge of your car, I respect your perseverance ( thumbs up )

Does anyone know if the gauze filters on the sender unit are essential If you're replacing your external filter regularly ?

I've heard that some piece this to allow a better flow.


Thanks in advance Andrew


Title: Re: beta coupe 1979 - 1600 from belgium
Post by: HFStuart on July 21, 2020, 12:08:37 PM
They're not essential but they do stop the larger bits of crap from getting through - important if you have an electric pump especially if there's no other filter before it.

An in line filter close to the tank that you change regularly will do the same job. When I first recommissioned my car I clogged three of them before it ran clean so I now use the glass type with the removable filters as you can see better.


Title: Re: beta coupe 1979 - 1600 from belgium
Post by: Sandro on July 21, 2020, 01:02:39 PM
Stuart thank you,

I'll try an inline filter ...Since I recommissioned my beta it's had power drop out problems at certain times. The fuel pump was noisy, so I presumed it was being overworked
( with crud in the tank ) ..both this and the 'missing' disappeared beit briefly when I changed the external fuel filter,

but its back ...at less regular intervals but it's disconcerting, particularly at roundabouts in busy traffic and so on to suddenly lose power. I've bought another filter but it will be much easier to 'see' what's going on with a transparent one. ( and easier to change potentially ) ..I might use both.

It's worth noting that I've also looked at the 'front-end' replacing the battery with a new one and making sure I have good connections etc.

When it's running smooth there's nothing better  ..hopefully I'm not that far off. :)

( Apologies members for straying off the original topic )
Andrew.


Title: Re: beta coupe 1979 - 1600 from belgium
Post by: fred2660 on July 21, 2020, 02:38:46 PM
I placed the filter because I heve some little stones in the gastank which I couldn't get out. I tried a lot of things but they just wouldnt get out.


Title: Re: beta coupe 1979 - 1600 from belgium
Post by: fred2660 on July 21, 2020, 06:27:12 PM
Engine is back in the car. Went quite easy, must say

After 2 years of living in the garage, I think I know where the idea for the colour came from  :D




(https://i.ibb.co/nnF5jcs/20200721-132856.jpg) (https://ibb.co/2sTfdt7)


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Title: Re: beta coupe 1979 - 1600 from belgium
Post by: Sandro on July 21, 2020, 07:31:27 PM

ha! that's Great Fred!!

 ;D

It's actually a very nice blue, suits it's age perfectly ..you'll enjoy having it all back in one piece ..nice job, the car looks new.


A.


Title: Re: beta coupe 1979 - 1600 from belgium
Post by: fred2660 on July 22, 2020, 04:49:19 PM
I am working on the fuel system.  When i bought the car there was a fuel pressure regulator built in. Fispa Torino.

(https://i.ibb.co/fXVWshc/20200722-174307.jpg) (https://ibb.co/YN4Sxzr)

I am thinking of leaving it out. What would be the benefits for a 1600cc with weber carbs?
Thanks


Title: Re: beta coupe 1979 - 1600 from belgium
Post by: Neil-yaj396 on July 23, 2020, 07:40:56 AM
If you have an electric pump I would keep the regulator - better fuel flow if regulated and convenient for filter changes.


Title: Re: beta coupe 1979 - 1600 from belgium
Post by: WestonE on July 23, 2020, 08:57:16 AM
Do not leave it out. You need fuel pressure regulated to 3PSI or the carbs will flood due to pressure forcing the float valves open. You should also check the pressure is 3 PSI with a gauge in line before tuning the carbs.

Note 3 Pounds Square Inch NOT 3 BAR!


Title: Re: beta coupe 1979 - 1600 from belgium
Post by: fred2660 on July 23, 2020, 03:01:12 PM
Thanks

I finished  the fuel lines.  I have now an inline filter before the mechanical pump, then the fuel pressure thing after the pump.
I will and shall have clean fuel  :)

(https://i.ibb.co/0CxGNgJ/20200723-150508.jpg) (https://ibb.co/pfSLDtX)


Title: Re: beta coupe 1979 - 1600 from belgium
Post by: fred2660 on July 23, 2020, 03:03:29 PM
I also placed the distrubutor. Its a electric ignition distributor. There were no numbers on the distributorcap, so I guess you can choose any of the for points as number 4.


Title: Re: beta coupe 1979 - 1600 from belgium
Post by: fred2660 on July 27, 2020, 11:25:37 AM
I am working on the wires and have a problem.

When i connect the battery the starter motor starts working, even with the ignitionkey out of the contact.

From the battery i have a thick green wire to the starter, from the starter it goes to the alternator, from the alternator to the fusebox and from the fusebox to the + pole on the battery. From the alternator there us also a groundwire and in the starter ther is a smal red wire


Title: Re: beta coupe 1979 - 1600 from belgium
Post by: peteracs on July 27, 2020, 12:30:21 PM
Hi Fred

A bit confusing without photos, but have you checked the connections are as per the wiring diagram as sounds like the solenoid in the starter is being activated, disconnecting the small wire to the starter should stop that whilst you fault find.

Peter


Title: Re: beta coupe 1979 - 1600 from belgium
Post by: fred2660 on July 27, 2020, 03:11:12 PM
Thanks peter.

I dusconnected the little red wire from the starter: i keeps starting.
I disconnected the wire going to the alternator: it keeps firing

Now there is only the big wire from + battery to starter. En - battery to ground: the starter keeps running. I am totaly confused. I dont understand it.

When i did the compressiontest with the engine out of the car, I had the + battery to starter, - battery to ground on engine. And a little cable on the starter between 2 points to start it up.


Title: Re: beta coupe 1979 - 1600 from belgium
Post by: fred2660 on July 27, 2020, 03:29:57 PM
I think i found the problem. The + cable on the starter was touching one of the pins ont starter.

(https://i.ibb.co/vDvVfV1/20200727-162718.jpg) (https://ibb.co/V3pJbJV)


Title: Re: beta coupe 1979 - 1600 from belgium
Post by: peteracs on July 27, 2020, 03:59:41 PM
Glad you found it, had to something simple!

Peter


Title: Re: beta coupe 1979 - 1600 from belgium
Post by: fred2660 on July 27, 2020, 04:05:28 PM
Problem solved!!!! :)


Title: Re: beta coupe 1979 - 1600 from belgium
Post by: fred2660 on July 28, 2020, 03:42:31 PM
Working on ignition. Got good spark on the 4 plugs. I used this method for timing :https://www.betaboyz.myzen.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=2099.msg12891#msg12891

This is 10 degrees before tdc on number 4 for static timing. The haynes manuel says 0 degrees ( page 100)

I tried first the manuel procedure and hdad a lot of backfire. Now i set it to 10 degrees, and timing is better, no backfire.

It still only runs when i keep pushing the trotle. If i dont it stalls. Carb ussue i presume


Title: Re: beta coupe 1979 - 1600 from belgium
Post by: betaveloce on July 28, 2020, 03:58:07 PM
It still only runs when i keep pushing the trotle. If i dont it stalls. Carb ussue i presume

automatic choke not yet properly adjusted?


Title: Re: beta coupe 1979 - 1600 from belgium
Post by: fred2660 on July 28, 2020, 04:36:23 PM
Its running !!!!

https://youtu.be/P4qyToEDxAQ


Title: Re: beta coupe 1979 - 1600 from belgium
Post by: WestonE on July 28, 2020, 04:37:53 PM
Great work and a well deserved smile!  ;D


Title: Re: beta coupe 1979 - 1600 from belgium
Post by: Sandro on July 28, 2020, 05:11:49 PM

 Nice Work Fred !!! 
 
 You'll be stoked.  :)


 A



Title: Re: beta coupe 1979 - 1600 from belgium
Post by: fred2660 on August 29, 2020, 04:13:56 PM
Hey, have a problem with the windsreenwipers. The motor works fine but wjen i cut them off, the wipers stop in the middle.
Made a little video.

https://youtu.be/sdmI--t94TU

Any thoughts?
Thanks


Title: Re: beta coupe 1979 - 1600 from belgium
Post by: hutch6610 on August 29, 2020, 06:00:04 PM
Two things to try to get an idea of what's wrong.

1. When the wipers stop without parking properly try pulling the wiper stalk on the steering column as if you are spraying water on the screen. If it then parks its the connectors on the wiper arm not making a proper connection.
They are little brass connectors with springs that may need cleaning or worse there may be a crack in the base of the stalk where these are located so they don't quite press onto the riveted contacts to complete the circuit.
If cracked only solution is a new arm.

If that makes no difference....

2. Pull back the vinyl sheath over the wiper motor (if its still there) remove the four screws and lift off the brown? plastic cover protecting the wires on the main body of wiper motor.
You can now see the where the wires are soldered onto the contacts on the plastic gear cover and with a little luck you will find one of them has melted and the stylus below no longer makes contact with the track on the worm wheel inside.
Once this contact is broken or melted the intermittent stops working and the wipers refuse to park.

If that's the case you have no option but to source another set of wipers and just change the cover over - assuming it does not have the same fault.

Please note that you can gain access to all this on a right hand drive car, with a little luck a European spec car will just be on the opposite side but still accessible.

Good luck.


   


Title: Re: beta coupe 1979 - 1600 from belgium
Post by: fred2660 on August 29, 2020, 06:58:16 PM
Thanks

Tried both. 1) when i pull the stalk, only the engine of the waterreservoir starts working.

2) pulled the brown cover ( lhd, you have to remove the whole motor). All connection looks ok

(https://i.ibb.co/ZcpRBrW/20200829-194756.jpg) (https://ibb.co/3S95pbB)


Title: Re: beta coupe 1979 - 1600 from belgium
Post by: Nigel on August 29, 2020, 09:11:03 PM
Fred,
Are the wipers self-parking in the middle? Or do they simply stop when shut down?
If the former, removing and replacing the wiper arms after a self park will sort it.
If it's the latter, it could be the wiper relay [it's called an interuptor on the wiring diagram]

Hope this helps
Nige


Title: Re: beta coupe 1979 - 1600 from belgium
Post by: fred2660 on August 29, 2020, 11:46:38 PM
When i shut them off, they still go till they reach the middle. So i cant just replace the wipers themself.

Whrre can i find the relais?


Title: Re: beta coupe 1979 - 1600 from belgium
Post by: peteracs on August 30, 2020, 07:27:35 AM
Hi

Do the wipers always return to the same point on the windscreen?

Have you disassembled the mechanism? If so it could be that the mechanism was not reassembled at the same position on the motor spindle.

Peter


Title: Re: beta coupe 1979 - 1600 from belgium
Post by: Nigel on August 30, 2020, 11:38:04 AM
When i shut them off, they still go till they reach the middle. So i cant just replace the wipers themself.

Whrre can i find the relais?

Fred, this tells me they are indeed self-parking. Therefore everything electrical is working fine.
When parked [in the middle], remove the stalks [arms] from the spindles at the body and refit them in the normal
parked position.

Unless i'm missing something.

Nige


Title: Re: beta coupe 1979 - 1600 from belgium
Post by: fred2660 on August 30, 2020, 04:11:31 PM
Hi

Have you disassembled the mechanism? If so it could be that the mechanism was not reassembled at the same position on the motor spindle.

Peter

That was it. Quite stupid mistake from me.

Now they work fine.

Thanks for the imput guys.


Title: Re: beta coupe 1979 - 1600 from belgium
Post by: peteracs on August 30, 2020, 05:33:12 PM
Not really as difficult to know where to refit the mechanism without putting power to the motor.I have the same thing to do once I have reconnected all my electrics.

Peter


Title: Re: beta coupe 1979 - 1600 from belgium
Post by: fred2660 on September 02, 2020, 07:18:01 PM
I ordered a new seal for the rear window. It arrived today and it is quite sturdy. There is a groove in the rubber foorseen for the trim, but then th3re is still a lot of rubber over. Is it meant to be cut away? Thanks

(https://i.ibb.co/BcFsBD2/20200902-201418.jpg) (https://ibb.co/djxKD94)


Title: Re: beta coupe 1979 - 1600 from belgium
Post by: hutch6610 on September 02, 2020, 11:00:38 PM
Where did you get the rear glass from, is it the original bonded glass?
Your coupe has bonded front and rear glass from factory so its bigger, rubber mounted glass is smaller. i know windscreens are smaller for a fact so would assume the same for the rear.
If you managed to fit your cars original glass then its too big surely and pushing the seal out further?
That flap at the bottom is supposed to go under the boot lid there is no trimming involved.

Just a hunch but i think you need the correct glass to match the seal or earlier cars have a different rear window aperture.


Title: Re: beta coupe 1979 - 1600 from belgium
Post by: Neil-yaj396 on September 03, 2020, 07:54:53 AM
That type of seal is good if it fits. The extra rubber 'skirt' ensures the water drains and doesn't damage the cross member as it has on my car.


Title: Re: beta coupe 1979 - 1600 from belgium
Post by: fred2660 on September 03, 2020, 10:24:29 AM
I havn't fit it yet. It seems quite big indeed. Gonna try this weekend.
Always something with these cars :)


Title: Re: beta coupe 1979 - 1600 from belgium
Post by: squiglyzigly on September 04, 2020, 09:00:07 AM
I thought the trims for the early bonded screens (front and rear) are a different design to the later ones for rubber seal screens. Bonded screens have the trims bonded onto the screen. Rubber seal type trims have a profile on the underside that slots into the rubber seal.



Title: Re: beta coupe 1979 - 1600 from belgium
Post by: fred2660 on September 05, 2020, 01:00:26 PM
Quite sure i had the original bonded glass. But i have fitted the seal without the window and it fits fine. Ans the window fits in the seal. Why wouldnt it work then?

Don't like the the rubber overlap though

(https://i.ibb.co/6g28ddT/20200905-135611.jpg) (https://ibb.co/Yp6Xrr1)