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« Reply #20 on: August 21, 2024, 08:55:07 AM »

To me it sounds like something simply not set up right have you tried moving the distributor whilst it is running to see if it gets smoother?   

Yes, I tried this but there was no immediate change
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« Reply #21 on: August 21, 2024, 09:01:41 AM »

I agree that valve clearances are likely not correctly set and frankly if your mechanic can not do that job I would worry about the rest of the work. Set stone cold spark plugs out by using the tappet depression tool one at a time after using a syringe to remove the excess oil. You obviously measure first with feeler gauges looking for 0.40mm inlet and 0.45mm exhaust clearances. The Haynes Beta Manual tells you how, but you need a decent stock of shims to replace those note the right size. Avoid shims smaller than 3.50mm to prevent cam damage. If you have saved shims from previous engines you probably have lots of 4.20mm! Note always measure the shim thickness with a decent digital vernier or micrometer. to check the actual size and never use shims with heat bluing or surface scuffing.

Good luck.

Eric 

I took some measurements on the exhaust side. the first cylinder is at 0.50, 2, 3 and 4 have difficulty reaching 0.30........

I will see if I can obtain the special tool somewhere in the Netherlands.
It's a shame about the three hours of work the technician put into this.

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« Reply #22 on: August 21, 2024, 08:58:51 PM »

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It is not a shame, I would tell him where to get off and not bother using him, never mind asking for my money back…….

Hopefully it has not caused any long term damage. Time to check the inlet side.

You should be able to find the tool easily, here is one advertised for Fiat 124 in Germany (same twin cam engine) but should be widely available at around 50 Euros.

https://shop.wum-autoteile.de/Valve-adjustment-tool-Fiat-124

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« Reply #23 on: August 23, 2024, 08:53:42 AM »

Hi

It is not a shame, I would tell him where to get off and no bother using him, never mind asking for my money back…….

Hopefully it has not caused any long term damage. Time to check the inlet side.

You should be able to find the tool easily, here is one advertised for Fiat 124 in Germany (same twin cam engine) but should be widely available at around 50 Euros.

https://shop.wum-autoteile.de/Valve-adjustment-tool-Fiat-124

Peter


Hi,
The man from the garage comes to check the valve clearance in around 1-2 weeks time. He wants a chance to correct his mistake and I think I should give him that chance.

Thank you so far and I will keep you informed.

-Gerke
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« Reply #24 on: August 26, 2024, 07:12:22 PM »

Hi,

Today I spoke with the man who overhauled the rotating part of the engine, so not the guy who did the valves. He advised to check the oil for aluminum particles in the bearings. The oil was clean and clear so this is not the case. He said that if the valves are too tight you should not hear a ticking sound, only if they are too wide......anyone have experience with this?

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« Reply #25 on: August 26, 2024, 10:49:50 PM »

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In theory, yes, too wide gap will result in a noise, which is the cam hitting the shim on the steep part of the cam, ie instead of ‘gently’ reducing the gap. However if too small a gap maybe it is falling foul of something else?

Also you only posted the exhaust side, not the inlet side values?

I recently visited a fellow Spider owner who has a long knowledge of these engines and he had a chat many years ago with a Lancia factory mechanic whose comment was that the engines work best if you can hear the tappets, ie gap them on the loose side of the spec. This is purely anecdotal, so make of it what you will…..

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« Reply #26 on: August 27, 2024, 06:07:43 PM »

Hi,

I took some more time and now come to the following measurements.

E1 0.20 E2 0.15 E3 0.20 E4 0.20 now the inlet.
I1 0.15 I2 0.25 I3 0.20 I4 0.25

What it should be E 0.45 - 0.51 and the inlet 0.39 - 0.45

there is a difference......
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« Reply #27 on: August 27, 2024, 07:36:12 PM »

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Yes, not good. Hope you can get it sorted out correctly.

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« Reply #28 on: August 29, 2024, 12:48:07 PM »

It seems unlikley that the clearances being 0.2mm too small would produce so much noise but I hope it turns out to be something simple.
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