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betaveloce
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« on: November 08, 2021, 04:06:18 PM »

Hi all,

someone I know wants to change the manual steering rack of his Spider with a PAS one, for which I have all the necessary parts (that came of a PAS car). However, someone told him that this is not just plug and play because supposedly the mounting points of the manual steering rack and the PAS one are different.

Could anyone confirm that a PAS steering box can be bolted into place on the bulkhead of a non PAS-car?
Or does this depend on the series?
(in case it would make a difference: it's left hand drive)

Thanks,
Kevin
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« Reply #1 on: November 08, 2021, 04:32:03 PM »

Amongst many other things,  the bulkhead has to be modified to accommodate the pas steering box which then interferes with the clutch/brake assembly. You will also need to use the mounting bracket to fix the rack.
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« Reply #2 on: November 08, 2021, 06:40:04 PM »

I converted my Beta Spider to PAS from a VX Coupe. To do so not only did I need the rack, pump reservoir, hubs and steering column all of which are different. I also needed the late pedal box assembly AND the Firewall from the VX coupe transferred to my Beta Spyder.

The rack mounts are different and so are the holes and recesses in the VX Coupe Firewall. If you look through my posts in members cars you can see pictures of the PAS rack in the engine bay.

I do not know if it is easier in LHD, but suspect more welding is needed than just transferring the brackets and rack mountings.

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« Reply #3 on: November 08, 2021, 07:22:10 PM »

Kevin,
One of our fellow members converted to electric
power steering, which, considering the work above,
may well be another option. His work was on a Berlina though.

Ians' [squiglyzigly] conversion is detailed on this Steering forum.


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Nigel
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« Reply #4 on: November 09, 2021, 08:51:24 AM »

Amongst many other things,  the bulkhead has to be modified to accommodate the pas steering box which then interferes with the clutch/brake assembly. You will also need to use the mounting bracket to fix the rack.

I converted my Beta Spider to PAS from a VX Coupe. To do so not only did I need the rack, pump reservoir, hubs and steering column all of which are different. I also needed the late pedal box assembly AND the Firewall from the VX coupe transferred to my Beta Spyder.

The rack mounts are different and so are the holes and recesses in the VX Coupe Firewall. If you look through my posts in members cars you can see pictures of the PAS rack in the engine bay.

I do not know if it is easier in LHD, but suspect more welding is needed than just transferring the brackets and rack mountings.

Eric     

Thank you for your answers Ammy and Eric. I knew of all the differences regarding steering arms, track rods, hubs, etcetera, but I wasn't aware that the bulkhead and the steering column also need to be changed. My own Spider has been converted from manual to PAS in it's life, but it has been done by the previous owner and I always thought it had involved some work but was pretty straight forward. Not sure if the pedal box would have to be changed on a LHD car though.

But anyway, the guy is gonna leave it as it is then I think  Grin
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« Reply #5 on: November 09, 2021, 08:53:04 AM »

Kevin,
One of our fellow members converted to electric
power steering, which, considering the work above,
may well be another option. His work was on a Berlina though.

Ians' [squiglyzigly] conversion is detailed on this Steering forum.


Regards
Nigel

Thank you Nigel, I read about that conversion.
It's not for me but I will pass the message on  Wink
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