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« on: July 25, 2020, 02:07:47 PM »

Hi All

Another in what us likely to be a boring set of questions now I am starting to get my ducks lined up to install the interior.

The parts manual from what I can see does not show a breakdown of the seat belt arrangement of the fixing bolts/spacers/washers.

I have sorted the upper bolt, but cannot see how the two in the centre just behind the front seats goes as I have

Bolt
Spring washer
Spacer with turn down
Plastic washer
Metal cover plate which goes over the metal loop that the bolt goes through at the end of the seat belt clip.

I cannot work out where the spacer fits....

Also is there a plastic or other cover for these two bolts heads when installed?

Thanks

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« Reply #1 on: July 25, 2020, 08:06:07 PM »

Hi Peter,

The stepped spacer allows the buckle to remain mobile,and the spring washer stops the buckle from flopping around
i.e. it should fit over the smaller step.

The spacer is fitted wide side to body,then the spring washer,then the buckle,then the plastic washer,then the bolt.
Yes, there is normally a plastic cap which clicks on to the buckle,it moves with it.

If you find carpet thickness an issue, an extra washer on the body is fine.

The same arrangment is used on the B pillar. The belt drum itself should be fixed tight,usually
with a dog-type thingy to stop it rotating.

Hope this helps.
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« Reply #2 on: July 25, 2020, 11:15:52 PM »

Hi Nigel

Many thanks. I will post a photo of what I think you are suggesting which all sounds logical. Not sure what the cover for the bolts looks like, anyone have a photo?

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« Reply #3 on: July 26, 2020, 12:15:25 AM »

Hi Nigel

Many thanks. I will post a photo of what I think you are suggesting which all sounds logical. Not sure what the cover for the bolts looks like, anyone have a photo?

Peter
I seem to recall that they are a plastic domed fitment which clips over the bolt head, and either gets lost or cracked fairly early on in its life. I'm sure somewhere like Essentra Components would have something to suit, if you can find it in theire enormous catalogue. You'd probably also need to buy a sizeable quantity minimum order.

https://www.essentracomponents.com/en-gb/s/bolt-nut-protection-caps
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« Reply #4 on: July 26, 2020, 08:10:35 AM »

Hi Peter

I bought new nut covers from the SL Shop as my many OE covers split one after another when I did a recent test fit of my new after market belts. They were cheap enough not to bother find more old ones for me.

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« Reply #5 on: July 26, 2020, 11:00:25 AM »

Thanks both of you.

Nigel, here is a photo of the parts and the order to reinstall, just to check I understand what you have written..!

Peter


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« Reply #6 on: July 26, 2020, 05:01:23 PM »

And following on from this, assuming above is correct, on the other two locations (top and bottom of the B pillar) for the seat belt there are similar bolts, stepped spacers and spring washers, but on both the upper and lower fixings, should there also be a fairly thick washer just under the bolt head, or is that just on the upper B post fixing?

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« Reply #7 on: July 26, 2020, 05:08:49 PM »

Peter,
I admit i'd not realise it was this type, and in this case the steel-hoop ends do not
move, but I think with the spacer they slightly 'float' above the carpet, but should
be tight to the body.
If you have other non-stepped spacers,these would be for here,steps here are not needed.
As my description above, the stepped parts are more likely for the B pillar fitment.

If the spring washer is bolt-size,then I would use that under the bolt head.
My thoughts earlier were that you were referring to a thin wavy washer, but that would also be for
the B pillar attachment.

Edit: Have you got thin wavy washers?

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« Reply #8 on: July 26, 2020, 05:41:14 PM »

Hi Nigel

Ok, I think you are correct in that the stepped spacer is not required here, and in fact no spacer is actually required and the nut in the floor is actually raised which with the hoop ends and the metal cover piece will make a secure fixing. That now makes sense as I thought I was short of the stepped spacers. I do have a few of the wavy washers (one shown above next to stepped spacer) which fit on the stepped spacer. What I appear to only have two of, are the thick washers, but I should be able to use normal washers instead. So I think I am sorted on this issue.... Thanks for your time.

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« Reply #9 on: July 26, 2020, 05:43:57 PM »

Hi Peter

Try to get the parts book view for the sequence and parts as these are seat belts.

Good Luck

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« Reply #10 on: July 26, 2020, 06:22:29 PM »

There is the rub, the parts book is great for pretty much everything EXCEPT the seat belts where the picture just has one number and it says seat belts, no breakdown or parts explosion of any fixings at all, that I can see. Hence my question here.
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« Reply #11 on: July 26, 2020, 11:49:56 PM »

A bit of an update. I offered up the metal hoops to the fixings in the floor, but it just sits on top of the fixing as it is wider than the hole in the hoop, so still wondering if the stepped spacer needs to be used....? If anyone has this early system it would be good to get some feedback on how it fits to the floor.
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« Reply #12 on: July 27, 2020, 08:06:05 AM »

Hi Peter

With these I would go for a solid anchor with a bolt long enough to fully engage the body threads with a spring washer then thick load washer wide enough to cover the loop steel of the seat belt retainer. Spray the washers black add nut covers and onto the next job. The top belt fixings and sill fixing will be designed to fit with the belt fixing able to pivot whilst soundly located. I have just done this using new front and rear belts to ensure I have the right combination of bolts and washers took some time and if I had any doubt about the OE threads I used longer bolts and half nuts on the rear.

The SL shop sell new Black nut covers. Mine just split one after another!

I hope this helps

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