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« on: June 18, 2018, 08:33:31 PM »

I've just bought the modified gear linkage rod, studs and bushes from Betaboyz (very quick turnround - thanks Mark!) and having them in my hand now I'm wondering how to assemble them. Looking at the studs and bushes I'm scratching my head to see how the two would be assembled together. It will obviously involve a press (or at least a vice), but I'd be afraid of breaking the nylon bush if too much force was used. Hs anyone done this and have any tips or tricks to pass on?

The linkage is suppllied as one piece, but I'd want to get substantial amounts of grease into the ball and socket joints. Do people just use a grease gun and expect it all to get a bit messy, or is it better to disassemble the ball and socket joints and pack the socket with grease?

Lastly what grease would be people's preference for both sets of bushes/sockets? I've used this grease before on motorcycle suspension bushes and bearings, as it has excellent anti-corrosion properties as well as good lubrication properties:

http://www.acf-50.co.uk/acrobat/CB%20GREASE%20New%20and%20Improved.png
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« Reply #1 on: June 18, 2018, 08:59:04 PM »

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You should have installation instructions with the kit?

I assume you have the kit which is made by John in the US?

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http://www.fiatlancia.us

If so he does not recommend grease on the large bushes. I used a vice to press the balls into the large bushes from memory. Not got to the point of greasing the small ball joints. I found some of the larger balls were quite corroded and hence smaller than original, fortunately I had a choice of changer mechanisms as had scrapped a couple of cars.

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« Reply #2 on: June 18, 2018, 09:14:25 PM »

I'm looking to do this on our car this soon. it's currently the biggest annoyance with the car as it is. We have a pit so get decent access from below, but i'm not sure how I would tackle when I get the bits. There seems to be slop in the two bushes on the idler, maybe a little on the small balljoints. The centre pivot has a little vertical movement: would this be the center pivot bush available from the shop?
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« Reply #3 on: June 18, 2018, 10:35:13 PM »

Hi

You should have installation instructions with the kit?

I assume you have the kit which is made by John in the US?

See

http://www.fiatlancia.us

If so he does not recommend grease on the large bushes. I used a vice to press the balls into the large bushes from memory. Not got to the point of greasing the small ball joints. I found some of the larger balls were quite corroded and hence smaller than original, fortunately I had a choice of changer mechanisms as had scrapped a couple of cars.

Peter

Guilty of not reading the destructions... Sad As the parts will be heading to France I just put them in the box marked 'stuff for France' and didn't look at the piece of paper included... One thing I did notice is that the part sold by Betaboyz is not the same spec as that sold by John Montgomery. John's part uses high quality rose joints, the Betaboyz part uses ball and socket joints. I'm sure the Betaboyz part will probably outlive my usage of the car though. But I think I will pack it with grease, unlike the larger bushes and sockets. Any reason why John specifically recommends against grease in the larger bushes?
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« Reply #4 on: June 19, 2018, 08:33:21 AM »

Hi Graham

Put some waterproof cycle grease inside the nylon cups and use G clamps or water pump pliers to squeeze them nylon cups onto the pivots. This will transform the gear shift.

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« Reply #5 on: June 19, 2018, 02:00:47 PM »

Thanks Eric. Did you see my link to the Corrosion Block grease earlier in the thread? I think it would be ideal in this application, as one of the problems I've seen is the ball joints get rusty and bind/tear the nylon cups. I was going to use the vice I have on the bench for this. It's a nice chunky Record 35P so would make short work of that job.
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« Reply #6 on: June 19, 2018, 07:27:00 PM »

Hi Graham

The rose joint version is a recent thing, the old version (I bought mine around 2 years or so ago direct from him) used small ball joints, there is probably a picture on the web. From what I remember he did not recommend grease as he felt the grease would degrade the nylon bush.

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« Reply #7 on: June 19, 2018, 10:06:01 PM »

Hi Peter,

Thanks for that info. It all seems a bit 'damned if you do, damned if you don't' as regards greasing the nylon bushes. Without grease the steel balls will corrode quicker, with grease there's the possibility of damage to the bushes. I suspect that finding the correct grease will be key to a long life for both components...
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« Reply #8 on: August 02, 2018, 10:27:49 AM »

Does anyone have any idea as to how long it would take to replace these bushes,  using the kit supplied by
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« Reply #9 on: August 02, 2018, 11:36:42 AM »

Hi

I did mine with many components out of the car, so cannot say it took me X hours, but at a guess with adjustment allow 3 hours? Anyone else willing to commit a time?

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