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« on: October 12, 2017, 01:55:21 AM »

Was the standard Beta 5 speed originally designed for the Beta?  I've read somewhere they were also designed to work in Citroens also.  Was this transmission of Italian origin or French or...?
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« Reply #1 on: October 12, 2017, 07:00:05 AM »

The autobox was a British design specifically for the Beta. I'm not sure if the same company designed the 5 speed, but I'm sure that it was done for the Beta originally.
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« Reply #2 on: October 12, 2017, 09:40:17 AM »

I have heard many time that the 5 speed was developed from a Citroen gearbox but nobody has ever told me which one!
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« Reply #3 on: October 12, 2017, 07:20:50 PM »

Thanks.  I figured that since there are a couple of extra mounting holes around the bellhousing, that may indicate varied applications.
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« Reply #4 on: October 12, 2017, 10:06:20 PM »

Hi

Quick Google threw up this old autocar review

https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/anything-goes-throwback-thursday/throwback-thursday-1973-lancia-beta-1800-road-test

Which was done in the early 70s on the first Berlinas and specifically mentions Citroen and the fact they were related to Fiat at the time.

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« Reply #5 on: October 13, 2017, 02:42:48 AM »

Thanks, Peter.  That explains it all.
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« Reply #6 on: October 13, 2017, 02:00:42 PM »

My understanding is that fiat had a part share in the ownership of Citroen in the late 60s (yes really!!). There were joint ventures in place including a medium sized car and the supply of hydropneumatic suspension for the Gamma. It would seem that parts of the Beta came from this aborted project and the FWD drive train in particular, certain Citroen drivetrains seem to be related but how closely and which models I'm not really sure.

Nicked from the internet QUOTE- 'Agreement with Fiat (forming a new holding company, PARDEVI owned 51% by Michelin and 49% by Fiat); CitroŽn dealers sold the Autobianchi range in France and Belgium and CitroŽns were sold via the Fiat network in Italy.'   
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« Reply #7 on: October 13, 2017, 03:45:47 PM »

There was also the Maserati tie up which resulted in the SM.

A new 5 speed gearbox (originally it had a 4 speed) was introduced on the DS in 1970, so suspect that may be the origins, I would assume the outer casing was custom for the Beta, it was the internal mechanism design which was used. I think the DS has a North/South engine orientation.

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« Reply #8 on: October 13, 2017, 04:22:37 PM »

legend has it that Citroen CX gear linkage bushes fit the Beta
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