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« Reply #60 on: October 30, 2017, 05:55:18 PM »

damn. I checked the oilpump clearance and not good.  Tha manual says max 0.15 mm between the gears. I can put 0.2mm between some gears.

IMG_3362 by frederikleyers, on Flickr


what do you think? have to change it?

also the manual says min lenght of the spring is 26.3 mm. Mine measures more like 25.8.

IMG_3363 by frederikleyers, on Flickr

(the photo gives a not so accurate image)



My pump has as part number 82317269

IMG_3365 by frederikleyers, on Flickr

the manual gives other partnumbers

IMG_3366 by frederikleyers, on Flickr





I also found some metal on several different locations in the oil channel. (some in the oil pump, others in the oil breather)
they are all the same

IMG_3358 by frederikleyers, on Flickr

IMG_3357 by frederikleyers, on Flickr

IMG_3354 by frederikleyers, on Flickr


any thoughts ?
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« Reply #61 on: October 30, 2017, 10:10:03 PM »

Very odd. Fine turnings of some sort?
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« Reply #62 on: October 30, 2017, 10:21:33 PM »

To me they look like a small spring clip that would go around a shaft but I can't think of anywhere that such a clip would be on a beta.


As regards clearances and spring spec. See the link below

https://photos.app.goo.gl/jDAyzLiwVkj3vuPD3
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« Reply #63 on: October 30, 2017, 11:37:28 PM »

Remnants of a badly stripped thread?
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« Reply #64 on: October 31, 2017, 09:59:33 AM »

Remnants of a badly stripped thread?
Remnants of a failed helicoil?
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« Reply #65 on: October 31, 2017, 11:21:48 AM »

I think they are copper. They are not magnetic, i checked.
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« Reply #66 on: October 31, 2017, 04:48:45 PM »

Could be the flame trap in the breather hose somehow disintegrated and found it's way around everywhere?
http://www.ricambio.co.uk/1601-breather-hose-flame-trap--classic-fiat-500-126-classic-panda-uno-cinquecento-punto-new-500
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« Reply #67 on: October 31, 2017, 06:51:26 PM »

Could be the flame trap in the breather hose somehow disintegrated and found it's way around everywhere?
http://www.ricambio.co.uk/1601-breather-hose-flame-trap--classic-fiat-500-126-classic-panda-uno-cinquecento-punto-new-500


yes, that must be it.     

damn, then there are still a lot of metal pieces to be found. I checked both hoses connected to the breather, but nothing to be found there.
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« Reply #68 on: November 03, 2017, 04:33:10 PM »

Okay, so I ordered a new flame trap (and some other things).

Not knowing what the function of the oil breather (or crankcase breather) is , i searched some on the internet. This video gives a good explanation of what it does and what the flame trap does.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dkNand6EiFM


I took some pictures of the bottom of the oil breather. Is this complete or is there some part missing (besides the hoses and the bolt)


IMG_3372 by frederikleyers, on Flickr

IMG_3371 by frederikleyers, on Flickr

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« Reply #69 on: November 03, 2017, 05:26:22 PM »

Have recently taken my unit off for general clean up and re-fit with new seal  (where it locates in port on block).  Looked just like your unit in photo.  Interestingly I didnt appreciate the function of strange gauze/wire in the exit hose - was a bit of a deformed mess but nothng loose, duly discarded.  I'll see if I can make something simple to substitute.
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« Reply #70 on: November 12, 2017, 06:29:32 PM »

I am in dubio and like your advice.

I dont know the condition of the engine. I have had it started briefly but never drove it. Dont know the compression. Now I got the engine on an engine stand and i am thinking what should I do with it. Leave it like it is, or changing the head gasket or even disassemble the wole head , and why not do a total engine rebuild?

Is there any complete rebuild topic of the engine somewhere on the internet? I have looked but not found

I got the 828B000 engine bloc and 4314402 head

are there things I can check to see the condition of the engine (valves not closing, piston rings leaking,...?)

I have checked the sparkplugs and there is a lot of dry carbon on it.      but i think the wrong plugs were installed:  bpr6es instead of bpr7es



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« Reply #71 on: November 13, 2017, 06:56:38 PM »

Bwaa, 'just do it', Nike used to say, so.... i took the head off.  The 10 headbolts all said 'tack', first i thought i was damaging them.

I am not a mechanic, (all my automotive knowledge comes from youtube, discovery channel, and if i am not to lazy the haynes manual) but at first sight i have tree remarks:


1) Like the spark plugs showed, the whole combustion rooms are all carbonised

IMG_3379 by frederikleyers, on Flickr

IMG_3380 by frederikleyers, on Flickr

IMG_3381 by frederikleyers, on Flickr

IMG_3382 by frederikleyers, on Flickr

IMG_3385 by frederikleyers, on Flickr

IMG_3416 by frederikleyers, on Flickr

IMG_3387 by frederikleyers, on Flickr

IMG_3388 by frederikleyers, on Flickr

IMG_3389 by frederikleyers, on Flickr

IMG_3391 by frederikleyers, on Flickr

IMG_3392 by frederikleyers, on Flickr

IMG_3393 by frederikleyers, on Flickr

IMG_3395 by frederikleyers, on Flickr

IMG_3398 by frederikleyers, on Flickr

IMG_3403 by frederikleyers, on Flickr

IMG_3405 by frederikleyers, on Flickr


2) the cilinders are quite smooth, no edges. but ons two cilinders there are some scratches

IMG_3406 by frederikleyers, on Flickr

IMG_3407 by frederikleyers, on Flickr

IMG_3413 by frederikleyers, on Flickr

IMG_3419 by frederikleyers, on Flickr


3) on one piston there is a little piece on the edge broken off

IMG_3414 by frederikleyers, on Flickr

IMG_3417 by frederikleyers, on Flickr

IMG_3418 by frederikleyers, on Flickr

IMG_3420 by frederikleyers, on Flickr


any thoughts?

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« Reply #72 on: November 20, 2017, 06:41:33 PM »

Your engine has been running rich which is why you have black carbon not chocolate brown. Because of this expect worn bores from the excess fuel washing the oil away. You need to measure the bores using a bore gauge against the specification allowed, but I would expect you to need oversize pistons and a re-bore to get the best from the engine.

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