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« Reply #40 on: January 09, 2020, 04:35:54 PM »

In an attempt to break the logjam and get this thing moving, I took the Barry Waterhouse/Evo head to stanwood Engineering along with my GC Beta manifold (for DCOE Webers) and the set of triple valve spring I bought from Guy a while back. They will match up the manifold to the Beta Inlet tracts and generally strip, inspect and tweak as necessary. The valve that are fitted look in OK shape, but a stripdown will confirm or deny this. I have a full spare set of standard size inlet and exhaust valves (and valve guides to suit) that I bought new from Vick Auto in the USA, so these are backup if needed.

Once I've got the bottom end of the engine ready (a lot of assumptions in that brief and flippant statement) I'll take that and the rest of the top end (cams, camboxes, vernier camwheels etc. etc.) and they have agreed to do the final build. This gets round the problem of Guy not being prepared to work with a head modified by someone else, basically by giving the job to someone else.

All the dealings I've had with Stanwood have been absolutely A1, and indeed Guy uses them for a lot of his work. The GC Beta manifold is machined by them, and Guy personally recommended them to me. Ironic that Guy's perfectionist approach has nudged me towards giving Stanwood the work that I had intended Guy to do. I wonder how much other work he has passed up as a result of that approach.

I'm not knocking Guy here, in fact I'm slightly concerned that he may be painting himself into a corner by his insistence on not trusting anyone else's work. I logged into his site recently, and it really is a bit of a ghost town these days. Guy was bemoaning how times are hard and work is scarce, but I think the answer is in his own hands.
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« Reply #41 on: August 13, 2020, 10:50:27 PM »

Well, it's taken a while, but my engine is now entirely in the hands of Stanwood Engineering. They already had my cylinder head and inlet manifold, and on Friday of last week I took the short engine, flywheel, cams, camboxes and assorted valve train components, fasteners, gaskets (including the MLS head gasket sourced by Eric Weston) down to Bawtry and left it all with them. As everyone else has they have suffered major challenges due to Covid-19, including a complete shutdown for 2-3 months earlier in the year, but now they are back in harness and are absolutely deluged with work. Thankfully I have now progressed to an active slot in their scheduling, so I can only hope that 2020 will see my Spider engine completely reassembled; some 5 years after it suffered its terminal mishap at the hands of an incompetent French garagiste. No-one ever said this would be easy...
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« Reply #42 on: August 14, 2020, 09:31:39 AM »

Hi Graham

Perhaps send them some ARP M10 Head studs from Delta Parts https://deltaparts1.wordpress.com/deltaparts-shop/engine-parts-modified-section-2/ They need thread sealant going into the block to stop water creep but are stronger than any bolt solution and a fine match for the gasket. ARP's website has fitting instructions and them come with the right installation grease.

I hope the is helps.

Eric
PS I use them on the Montecarlo and the Spider VX.
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« Reply #43 on: August 14, 2020, 02:02:00 PM »

Hi Eric, I'll check those out. Guy has supplied me with a set of his M10 allen head bolts and heavy washers - will these not be good enough?
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« Reply #44 on: August 15, 2020, 02:56:45 PM »

Hi Graham

The parts from Guy will do the job nicely. Studs are better but you do not need them if you have the GC bolts for your application.

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« Reply #45 on: August 18, 2020, 11:43:48 PM »

Thanks Eric.
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« Reply #46 on: October 25, 2020, 01:20:54 PM »

I received a phone call from Stanwood a few days ago advising me that my engine had been completed, so on Friday I drove down to Bawtry and collected it, spurred on by the fact that South Yorkshire would be heading into 'Tier 3' Covid status at midnight of the same day. Foolishly I didn't take a camera with me to photograph the engine, as I was more preoccupied with how I would unload the engine at the other end of the journey. But all worked out fine in the end and the engine, sat on its home brewed wooden 'dolly' is now ensconced in the corner of the breakfast room adjacent to a radiator in the house in Stafford. Pictures will follow as soon as I can get back there.

The next step is to dress the engine with all the ancillaries - water rails, brackets, cam belt cover, starter motor, alternator, distributor etc. etc. Which reminds me - before I can refit the distributor it needs to go for a full refurbish - something I should really have organised while the engine was away being re-built. Ho hum...
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« Reply #47 on: November 19, 2020, 11:00:25 PM »

It's taken me this long to get back to where the Beta engine is being stored, what with lockdown etc. I had a brief chance today to take a few quick pics of the motor swathed in industrial grade clingfilm and mounted on my home-brewed trolley (for ease of movement). I particularly like the one of the gold powder-coated cam boxes seen through plastic. Reminds me vaguely of a Cocteau Twins album cover...

I'll leave it in the plastic wrap for now, but I need to start dressing the engine with all ancillaries, and will need to get the flywheel on soon as well. At some point it will need to leave the trolley and be returned to the engine stand which then means it takes up a lot more space. At present it's tucked away in the corner of the dining room, close to a radiator. Unfortunately this happy arrangement cannot last for long.



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« Reply #48 on: November 20, 2020, 08:33:10 AM »

That is a very nice trolley and I like the engine as well!

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« Reply #49 on: November 20, 2020, 05:17:00 PM »

I've never liked the idea of an engine sitting on the floor on its sump pan. And it makes life much easier if the engine can be moved around the place easily. The castors are rated at 160kg each, so easily take the weight.

I'm currently working on a cunning plan to mount the engine to my engine stand using the 4 x M8 tappings arranged in a rectangle just above the sump on the back of the engine. GC used these mounting points for most of his engine builds, but it will need an adaptor plate made up before it will fit on my stand. So today I've been drilling a mixture of 8mm and 12mm holes in a piece of 12mm plate using my trusty Startrite Mercury pillar drill. Next thing is to make some stand offs from 25mm rod, but that can wait for another day.
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« Reply #50 on: November 24, 2020, 09:12:56 PM »

The soft gold cam covers are very attractive , I might have to copy those Graham . Wink
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« Reply #51 on: November 24, 2020, 10:04:56 PM »

The soft gold cam covers are very attractive , I might have to copy those Graham . Wink
Cheers, glad you agree Smiley I did think about a number of colours, but figured that gold would work with the blue of the engine bay and add a touch of class. It also works with the Hammerite silver of the block and the bare ali of the cylinder head.
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