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« on: October 20, 2010, 06:46:19 AM »

Hi,

Please advise urgently where I can find the engine number of the car. I was advised that it is under the inlet manifold?Huh? But still can not find it  Angry

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Gerhard
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« Reply #1 on: October 20, 2010, 08:15:41 AM »

very difficult to see with engine in situ yes it is at the front of the car on the block low down under the crankcase ventilation but may well be covered in a thin layer of muck
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« Reply #2 on: October 20, 2010, 02:52:32 PM »

o dear, any advise on how to get to it?
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rossocorsa
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« Reply #3 on: October 20, 2010, 03:23:04 PM »

I'll try to photograph it on my spare engine so you can see where it is
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« Reply #4 on: October 20, 2010, 06:09:03 PM »

Hanes says
"eng number is engraved on the side of the crankase above oil filter housing"
Is it near oil pressure sender...
It seems difficult to reach,,
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« Reply #5 on: October 20, 2010, 11:04:32 PM »

right I got confused it is at the front of the block left hand side as you face the front of the car pictures are from a volumex engine that has had the oilfilter/oilcooler housing removed. Even with the engine out of a car this is difficult to spot!












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« Reply #6 on: October 21, 2010, 09:03:39 AM »

Holy smoke. Only the Italians will come up with that one! Shocked
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« Reply #7 on: October 21, 2010, 09:08:37 AM »

Sorry was so shocked about the number that I forgot to thank you for the info and photo's. Grin
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« Reply #8 on: October 21, 2010, 09:09:46 AM »

Hanes says
"eng number is engraved on the side of the crankase above oil filter housing"
Is it near oil pressure sender...
It seems difficult to reach,,

Thanks also to you for the input. Will now see if I can find mine.
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« Reply #9 on: October 21, 2010, 10:18:06 AM »

Try to go down with a little digital camera to shoot some pictures...
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« Reply #10 on: October 23, 2010, 07:37:29 AM »

Try to go down with a little digital camera to shoot some pictures...


Thought of that one, photo's a bit out of focus as the radiator is forcing you to take VERY close ups.
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« Reply #11 on: October 23, 2010, 11:47:39 AM »

Sorry was so shocked about the number that I forgot to thank you for the info and photo's. Grin

no problem glad to help you now need to tell everyone the technique for reading this with the engine in the car!!! I was thinking maybe a brass rubbing style technique with paper and a wax crayon?Huh? (if you can reach it of course??)
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« Reply #12 on: October 26, 2010, 11:32:27 AM »

Sorry was so shocked about the number that I forgot to thank you for the info and photo's. Grin

no problem glad to help you now need to tell everyone the technique for reading this with the engine in the car!!! I was thinking maybe a brass rubbing style technique with paper and a wax crayon?Huh? (if you can reach it of course??)

Hi All, thank you on helping me on this one.

Got the police clearance and roadworthy inspection this morning.

Regarding the engine number, what can one say except, WHY THERE?Huh? Anyway, after a lot of head scratching (by the local authorities) they eventually agreed that, short of taking the engine out, it is impossible to read the number. They even scrutinized the photo's that you sent, to see if they could get to it. It became a personal challenge to one of them to find the number, he tried everything, from the top, from the side, from the bottom, but no luck. One clever one even suggested a mirror and a flashlight. Did not work either, they even tried to pick it up with a small video camera (as in spy cam), at that stage I was nearly pi**ing myself laughing.

Eventually they gave up and issued the clearance reports. (One for the Italians)

So, no, I still do not know how to read it as is, but I tell you this, trying to find it had a lot of entertaining value for me. Grin

Gerhard. Cool
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« Reply #13 on: October 31, 2014, 03:50:27 PM »

Thread Resurrection!

I am currently in the process of trying to import my late Father's Lancia Beta 1600 Coupe (approx 1984 so late model) from South Africa and we have hit a bit of a snag in that at the South African police clearance check they cannot find the engine number at all.

I posted a photograph taken this morning which show the area where I understand the engine number should be but it is as per the photo, completely blank.

To me there are a few possibilities - it is somewhere else on the engine or it was never there, or replacement engine was installed - there does not appear to be any evidence of the number having been removed  and the car last went through a roadworthy check in 2007 when the car was purchased and my Father never had any substantial work done on the car since then. - cars in south Africa only undergo a roadworthy (MOT equivalent) when ownership changes

if it is indeed blank, under what circumstances could that have arisen and what to do?




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« Reply #14 on: October 31, 2014, 04:41:41 PM »

Hi

Assuming that is the normal place near the oil filter etc (hard fro me to remember and not near a car right now), and if no one here has an idea, then one of the guys who have a login on Guy Croft's forum maybe could ask as he must have more experience of this than anyone?

My two cents is a replacement block at some point and the engine number not reinstated?

Peter
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« Reply #15 on: October 31, 2014, 04:56:31 PM »

thanks Peter

have indeed posted same on Guy's forum. we shall wait and see, this car is proving to be quite a challenge, thinking that I would save a lot of money by having most of the mechanical work sorted in Cape Town prior to export, i asked the mechanics there to do a full service, cambelts, etc and anything else that might go on a car that has been in dry storage for the best part of 5 years at least. They duly did quite bit of work then only a day or two later the last of the gearstick bushes went leaving it stuck in gear and being towed back to the garage.

we are also trying to establish whether the car was made in South Africa or Italy.

thoughts on a postcard!
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« Reply #16 on: October 31, 2014, 09:06:31 PM »

Vin number starting ZLA indicates built in Italy, Z = italy LA = lancia. This style of chassis number was only introduced around 1981 (ish) probably after assembly in South Africa ceased. Engine number is a mystery, I guess it is most likely that the engine has been replaced but I don't know how fiat chose to mark spares engines or blocks. Unfortunately I don't think that Fiat hold any accurate records for betas so they may be unable to confirm the engine number fitted when new, however on this car they should be able to confirm year and month of manufacture as should also the lancia motor club as I know that tim speechley provided them with copies of the Beta monthly chassis number breakdown which runs only from about 1978 onwards, earlier records were allegedly destroyed in a flood (unfortunately I tried but failed to obtain a copy for this site)
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« Reply #17 on: October 31, 2014, 09:39:34 PM »

Just had confirmed from Alfa/Fiat UK that the car was manufactured in Italy in 1984 but engine number remains a mystery - it appears that it is under the inlet manifold which now needs to be removed failing which the only other option (if there is no engine number there) is export the car with the engine removed.


Thanks for all the input so far
Stephen
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« Reply #18 on: December 07, 2014, 01:34:57 PM »

As the engine number panel us blank I guess the intention was for the garage to stamp it ;-)

This is how it should look although this is a VX block, the numbers on an ie will differ




When fully assembled and in situ it's pretty much impossible to read anyway
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« Reply #19 on: December 07, 2014, 08:30:57 PM »

I had a look through the microfiche and also some of my Beta workshop manuals but can't find any reference to how an engine supplied as a spare would be marked, I have a feeling that I've seen something about it somewhere but it's like looking for a possibly illusionary needle in a very big haystack! By the way I will be very surprised if the number is behind the manifold as neither of my current engines are marked anywhere except in the normal position.
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