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« Reply #40 on: December 13, 2014, 09:45:27 AM »

Right, well I do know that the records were on paper tim told me that maybe he did give paper rather than electronic copies to her and obviously as a non member I don't see via Lancia, however I would have thought someone would have remembered it. There was some earlier stuff that turned up I wonder if she is thinking of that? Anyway if all else fails I did have Tim's private email address so could try to contact him again.
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« Reply #41 on: December 13, 2014, 09:49:31 AM »

1969 onwards was mentioned, but it could well have been pre-Beta.
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« Reply #42 on: December 13, 2014, 09:52:59 AM »

The records Tim had are 1978 onwards which is why they are of interest I recall seeing those earlier records but they end in 1974 I think?
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« Reply #43 on: December 13, 2014, 01:24:44 PM »

The records Tim had are 1978 onwards which is why they are of interest I recall seeing those earlier records but they end in 1974 I think?

I've had a reply on the LMC Forum. LMC only have the earlier records 1972-1975 as you allude to, so it may be worth approaching Tim again.

If he's still uncomfortable issuing them to a 'non-official' source I'm happy to receive them as a rep (committee member) of the LMC. The LMC librarian (Chris Hopkins) is also interested in having them for the library.
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« Reply #44 on: December 13, 2014, 02:17:20 PM »

I will see what I can do, the records do remain at fiat UK but with Tim now retired I was concerned that they might just disappear.
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« Reply #45 on: December 13, 2014, 02:18:08 PM »

For the record, here it is. Series 1 only I think.


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« Reply #46 on: December 13, 2014, 02:46:52 PM »

And saloons only, AB is Berlina.

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« Reply #47 on: December 13, 2014, 02:57:25 PM »

As this covers to 1977 there is clearly a page missing with the other beta models and gamma listed, the info tim speechley had ran from 1978 and shows monthly data, in combination with the early data ( if it can be found) this would allow build dating to year or month/year for all betas, it really needs finding there must have been more than one copy in circulation originally so they must be around somewhere.
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« Reply #48 on: December 13, 2014, 03:06:03 PM »

These records actually came from a man called Simon Lake. So what happened to anything Tim gave to the LMC has become a bit of a mystery. I will persevere, but I don't think I'll get any further until I see the Secretary and Committee in February.
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« Reply #49 on: December 13, 2014, 03:21:35 PM »

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I will email Tim
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« Reply #50 on: December 14, 2014, 12:02:45 PM »

These records actually came from a man called Simon Lake. So what happened to anything Tim gave to the LMC has become a bit of a mystery. I will persevere, but I don't think I'll get any further until I see the Secretary and Committee in February.
I maybe need to do a bit of digging, I find it hard to believe that there aren't more copies of this information somewhere it looks like the kind of bulletins that would have been sent to dealers to me.
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« Reply #51 on: December 16, 2014, 11:26:56 PM »

Partial result I've got data for 78/79/80 and 81 ( Lancia not just betas) Grin apparently records after that are mixed in with fiat.
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« Reply #52 on: December 17, 2014, 08:03:15 AM »

Partial result I've got data for 78/79/80 and 81 ( Lancia not just betas) Grin apparently records after that are mixed in with fiat.

Well done Alan, I look forward to seeing the results. Will this let you date Betas of this period to the month?
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« Reply #53 on: December 17, 2014, 09:01:01 AM »

Only runs to May 81, I will try to presuade tim to send me the fiat stuff 81/84 so I can compile a beta list for those years but don't hold your breath! We need to find the missing sheets for the up to 1977 document someone somewhere must have a copy, on this set  I rather suspect that years ago someone discarded the beta bits on the basis that anything post fulvia was of no interest(?). I don't think that I will make the docs widely available we need to keep some info under our hats on here to encourage support. Haven't had time to study them yet to see if there is anything interesting included although I did notice it includes Seat built chassis numbers which I didn't expect.
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« Reply #54 on: December 17, 2014, 09:02:10 AM »

It includes MonteCarlo and gamma by the way
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« Reply #55 on: December 17, 2014, 07:12:45 PM »

This is very interesting info - would you be able to date my Beta Spider from the chassis number? The Blue plate that's rivetted on to the inner wing says ZLA828BS1 004292 and this tallies with the number stamped into the metal.
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« Reply #56 on: December 17, 2014, 07:51:16 PM »

This is very interesting info - would you be able to date my Beta Spider from the chassis number? The Blue plate that's rivetted on to the inner wing says ZLA828BS1 004292 and this tallies with the number stamped into the metal.
Not studied the way the list works fully (in theory it's simple but it usually pays to study stuff a bit!)
Looks like October 1979, would that make sense? I take it that its a 2000 facelift?
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« Reply #57 on: December 17, 2014, 08:09:34 PM »

Sounds about right - registered January 1980, and is an S2 F/L.... cheers!
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« Reply #58 on: December 17, 2014, 08:32:33 PM »

That's surprisingly quick reg after build! Some of these cars hung around forever before being sold!
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« Reply #59 on: December 19, 2014, 11:27:50 PM »

After checking on the reg document, date of first registration was 22nd Feb 1980, which is still less than 6 months after the apparent build date .
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