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« on: December 22, 2011, 06:45:25 PM »

Hello All,

I am back with a new problem. My son was driving the Beta, and this is his words: "The car was running fine, when all of a sudden it just lost power. I then tried to start it again, although the starter is turning over normally, it did not start."

We had the car towed to a friends house nearby, and one, with some mechanical experience, made the observation that the cam-belt (?) under the yellow cover to the driver's side of the car is not turning.

I know this is not a heck of a lot of information, but please I will appreciate some inputs.

This just as I though we have sorted all the problems out!!

Gerhard.
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« Reply #1 on: December 22, 2011, 08:07:42 PM »

So things to check are:

1. Is the cam belt actually present?

2. Is the belt loose or damaged?

If the two cam pulleys remain stationary it sounds like the belt could have snapped.

Depending on when it snapped it could have damaged valves. Ideally you would need to take the head off to check properly. 

Sorry to be bearer of bad news but if the cams are not turning then its definitely serious :-(
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« Reply #2 on: December 23, 2011, 03:50:29 AM »

Thanks Matt,

As always quick to respond. I am just so despondent now with this little car. It is costing my son a arm and a leg and he just spent R1, 200.00 on getting the water problem out.

I would not be able to answer your questions as the car is not at my place, but when I had a look last night, seems as if the belt is there, it is just not turning. And I didn't what to turn the engine over unnecessary.

What I have suggested to my son is that he gets the mechanic out to first have a look, hope of all hopes, he will say that it is just something small that can be fix for R10.00. (Yeah I know I am being stupid here)

I am hoping that the valves were not damage, as he said that the car just lost power, but did not mentioned any other "bad" noises. I presume here that dying/damaging valves will make a "bad" noise.

Thanks again for the input.

Gerahrd.



 
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« Reply #3 on: January 10, 2012, 06:23:12 AM »

Hi All,

Update on the cam belt. It did snapped, apparently due to the tensioner seizing up(?)

Any way, new cam belt on, new tensioner on, start car, no compression in 3 of the 4 cylinders.

Bent/Damaged valves!!!!!

There goes my son's R10 budget!

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« Reply #4 on: January 10, 2012, 09:03:13 AM »

Sorry to hear that
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« Reply #5 on: January 11, 2012, 08:05:24 AM »

Thanks Hawk

Went down to the garage yesterday to look at the damage. Bent/damage all the exhaust valves and one inlet valve. Noticed also that the water pipes needs replacing, so will be replacing them with stainless steel ones. Also all the rubber pipes and the fuel lines. (In for a penny, in for a pound, I guess)

Interesting observation, although there are no indication that the engine was using abnormally oil, (no frequent topping up) by the look of the pistons it is using oil. 

I have attached some photo's.

Also one to show how they tried to fix the water bottle. Still don't know if that solution will work, as the car was not driven that much since the fix. Anyway, got Matt to source me a replacement bottle in the UK. Awaiting the bidding process now.


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« Reply #6 on: February 03, 2012, 11:53:40 AM »

Update on the work.

We have received the new/old expansion tank from the UK that Matt sourced for us. Got the new s/s pipes for the water works and the head was done with new valves etc. Just waiting now for the shims and then the whole lot will be put together again. Hopefully by mid next week. Attached some photos and also of the offending belt.


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« Reply #7 on: February 03, 2012, 12:00:19 PM »

Looking good Gerhard, It will not be long now before the car is back on the road.
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Understeer is when you hit the wall with the front of the car. Oversteer is when you hit the wall with the back of the car. Horsepower is how fast you hit the wall and torque is how far you send the wall across the field once youve hit it.
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« Reply #8 on: February 03, 2012, 12:05:30 PM »

I don't know who is more excited to drive it again, me or my son. Presume there will be a coin flipping involved when we get to pick it up.

Thanks again for the trust and the effort.
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« Reply #9 on: March 20, 2012, 02:23:17 PM »

Whoop, Whoop!!

Christiaan went to pick up his Lancia today. About all in the engine was eventually either replaced, cleaned or removed, inspected and installed again.

New speedo cable, new water pipes, both steel and rubber, new fuel pipes, new valves, and, and, and. O and not forgetting the new(old) expansion tank Matt got for him.

Have not seen or driven it yet, but according to him, "It drives like a Swiss watch"

When I spoke to him over the phone just now, he just finish hugging it and was in the process of washing it

Will have a look at it tomorrow. (We have a public holiday here in SA tomorrow, heh, heh, heh, nothing beat a mid week paid break)

Gerhard.
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« Reply #10 on: March 20, 2012, 02:29:23 PM »

Happy days - pleased to hear it has all worked out
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« Reply #11 on: March 20, 2012, 02:41:03 PM »

I did not asked for the invoice yet. Presume that will awaits me when I get home.
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« Reply #12 on: March 20, 2012, 02:44:05 PM »

Glad that everything is back to normal.  Hope the bill isn't too much.
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Understeer is when you hit the wall with the front of the car. Oversteer is when you hit the wall with the back of the car. Horsepower is how fast you hit the wall and torque is how far you send the wall across the field once youve hit it.
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« Reply #13 on: March 22, 2012, 06:49:20 AM »

Drove the Lancia yesterday afternoon, engine sounds fine, however if the car is in neutral (auto gearbox) the revs will "hunt". Going up to +-1500, then drop back to +-500 and then shoot up to 1500 again. If you leave it in D, the revs will be normal??

Inputs please.

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« Reply #14 on: March 23, 2012, 03:18:29 PM »

There's a valve that's actuated when the auto box is in gear and the brake pedal is depressed (i.e. stationary) which controls the idling speed. While in Neutral or Park this valve should be closed. I suspect your problem is related to this valve somehow; check electrical connections and pipes. But first I would check and adjust the idling mixture with the car in Neutral or Park.   
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« Reply #15 on: March 27, 2012, 11:30:18 AM »

Thanks, for the input. I will discuss so with the mechanic.
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« Reply #16 on: April 19, 2012, 07:14:43 AM »

Eventually got the invoices for the work done on Christiaan's car.  Shocked


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« Reply #17 on: April 19, 2012, 08:00:05 AM »

Is that a total of 20k Rand?  (1600)

Will Christiaan be buying his Dad a beer or two?  Grin
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Understeer is when you hit the wall with the front of the car. Oversteer is when you hit the wall with the back of the car. Horsepower is how fast you hit the wall and torque is how far you send the wall across the field once youve hit it.
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« Reply #18 on: April 19, 2012, 08:30:44 AM »

Don't give me a heart attack now, it is R15, 526.48 (or in the Queen's finest 1, 237 pounds)

We already had the beers (in fact a couple more than 1 or 2) over a braai the other Saturday after the rugby match.

But the young man is now, like Portugal, officially ruined on the financial front!

Will be paying the money back to us over 50 years I suspect.

The car must still go back for them to sort the idle out.
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« Reply #19 on: May 14, 2012, 11:34:06 AM »

Well the bad news is that the cam-belt snapped again. So the car is back with the mechanic. And this time he will pay for whatever needs to be done to fix it. Dammit, dammit, dammit.
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