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Title: Fuel Injected VX Beta Spyder
Post by: WestonE on April 07, 2020, 10:47:59 AM
Hi Beta Fans

I have referred to this project from time to time in my Montecarlo Thread. Well tomorrow morning the freshly painted rolling chassis arrives from the paint shop in stunning light blue metallic 2 pack.
The Shell has had ALL suspect metal cut out and replaced and been dipped to remove ALL old paint and sealant. It has taken years to get to this point.

I have a strengthened Subframe running custom far stronger wishbones and I have Gazmatic Gold Coilovers fitted all round.
The Gearbox is a rebuilt VX unit with integrale bearings in the right places and a Gripper LSD
The engine has forged pistons and rods and a Guy Croft BIG valve head running the Cat Cams proven on my Montecarlo along with coil per cylinder ignition and a drive by wire throttle.
The VX unit rebuilt by GC and Zylan coated runs a smaller pulley. I should see 250BHP and 240 Ft lbs of torque   
Tyres are Azev A 7x15 and will run sticky Yokohama track cross over tyres
I have 2 full VX Coupe interiors to sort out the interior. 

I have been building components for years so finally I get to fit some to the shell:
rebuilt heater
full new wiring loom in thin wall cable with water proof connectors
rebuilt wiper assembly
Rebuilt headlights & tail lights
New tank converted to FI with a Phantom kit & full new FI fuel piping in car like the VX.
Power Steering
Custom Radiator 
6 piston front brakes & full new brake pipes
Pedal box with Drive by wire conversion
rebuilt steering column LHD style on the right so the indicators match my other cars
Full rear seat belts (fabricated mounts)
4 x 50 watts speakers in custom metal work
Fully rebuilt Electric Windows & all frames stripped and re plated
All new rubber trims and a new windscreen Targa and hood     

I have a lot to do and will get some photos up here soon

Let the games begin!

Eric


Title: Re: Fuel Injected VX Beta Spyder
Post by: mangocrazy on April 07, 2020, 04:32:20 PM
Fabulous stuff, Eric.

But we really, REALLY need pictures...  ;D

The questions will come later.


Title: Re: Fuel Injected VX Beta Spyder
Post by: squiglyzigly on April 08, 2020, 07:31:50 PM
Nice project Eric,

Really looking forward to seeing this go together. And ultimately GO!

Ian


Title: Re: Fuel Injected VX Beta Spyder
Post by: markw on April 15, 2020, 10:51:35 AM
Sounds like a great build, Eric. Would you mind elaborating on the cams you are using (you mentioned Cat Cams)? I'm trying to solve the VX cam puzzle as I build my engine (I also have FI VX ambitions), but I am finding a lot of low-confidence information online.


Title: Re: Fuel Injected VX Beta Spyder
Post by: WestonE on April 15, 2020, 11:37:51 AM
Hi Mark

The conventional proven answer is a pair of Strada / Ritmo 130 TC cams or Beta IE cams with the timing shifted to get low Lift at TDC. This reduces blow through and back pulses into the VX unit and give a handy power increase. This works well with a DCNF or DCOE with the hot filter box heavily insulated or preferably replaced with a duct hose and cold air cone filter. The cat cams were special order and I need to look up the reference. You can do a lot with good 130 TC cams. I have really done this and tested it at Storm Developments a Turbo and SC specialist rolling road.

Let me know which cams and I can share the timing you should dial in.

Eric     


Title: Re: Fuel Injected VX Beta Spyder
Post by: WestonE on April 21, 2020, 06:20:45 PM
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Photos I hope


Title: Re: Fuel Injected VX Beta Spyder
Post by: WestonE on April 21, 2020, 06:21:54 PM
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Title: Re: Fuel Injected VX Beta Spyder
Post by: WestonE on April 21, 2020, 06:23:16 PM
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Gaz Gold Suspension & Upgraded Wishbones


Title: Re: Fuel Injected VX Beta Spyder
Post by: WestonE on April 21, 2020, 06:24:39 PM
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VX FI Engine & Coil Per Cylinder


Title: Re: Fuel Injected VX Beta Spyder
Post by: WestonE on April 21, 2020, 06:26:26 PM
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Drive By Wire Pedal Box using Tilton Parts
Custom Radiator with Oil Cooler


Title: Re: Fuel Injected VX Beta Spyder
Post by: WestonE on April 21, 2020, 06:28:30 PM
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Rear Speaker Pod and Extra seat belt mounts. There is ISO Fix there as well!
Hidden Stereo install and Cruise Control!


Title: Re: Fuel Injected VX Beta Spyder
Post by: WestonE on May 18, 2020, 04:46:38 PM
I have made some progress but with a lot of 2 foot forward 1 foot back stuff like finding my polished door trims were actually HPE items so had to be VERY carefully cut down to fit and the front hub bearings had been trashed in the bodyshop because they did not have the end CV joint bolted in. Now re-built. I am now Ninja qualified in re-building power steering racks with a good one on the car and a spare after finding the (re-furbished) rack was black sprayed rust and junk.

I found the clips from Bresco to hold the internal trim onto the windscreen surround but have a full new headlining to make before I can fit a screen, door, hood and targa trims. I will get easier or so I keep telling myself!

Bless Chingford Plating for turning rust things into shinny things and big thanks to Pete the Polisher for making old stainless shinny!

Enjoy Eric
     


Title: Re: Fuel Injected VX Beta Spyder
Post by: WestonE on May 18, 2020, 04:50:21 PM
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Title: Re: Fuel Injected VX Beta Spyder
Post by: Sandro on May 18, 2020, 05:50:29 PM
Great job Eric. it looks very tidy indeed.
 :)
A.





Title: Re: Fuel Injected VX Beta Spyder
Post by: HFStuart on May 18, 2020, 10:55:29 PM
Whats the hatch in the boot floor for Eric? Fuel pump access?


Title: Re: Fuel Injected VX Beta Spyder
Post by: WestonE on May 19, 2020, 07:15:40 AM
Hi Stuart

For the tank pump and level sender. Photo attached.
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Title: Re: Fuel Injected VX Beta Spyder
Post by: WestonE on June 01, 2020, 06:08:01 PM
Indulgence with badges instead of doing real work!
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Title: Re: Fuel Injected VX Beta Spyder
Post by: squiglyzigly on June 02, 2020, 07:52:23 AM
Nice touch


Title: Re: Fuel Injected VX Beta Spyder
Post by: WestonE on June 12, 2020, 06:22:16 PM
Fun with VX Recaro Seat mounts and runners over the last couple of days has meant stripping the runners from 6 seats to make a set since they were all seized up! They are an odd design with 3 large wheel runners each which go missing or end up jammed  in the middle.

Just 1 more odd challenge I was not expecting. At least I have a pair of front seats with the full fabric and even the seat back pocket.

Onto the next strange challenge.

Eric


Title: Re: Fuel Injected VX Beta Spyder
Post by: squiglyzigly on June 12, 2020, 08:40:36 PM
Thatís interesting. When I put the recaros back in my car after a 15 year lay up, I only had one roller in each runner. Thought it was odd but the seats kind of work so I didnít give it any more thought. Just put it down to shoddy old 80ís engineering.

Looks like I will have to re-visit the seat runners now.

One thing I decided to do was to raise the drivers seat and tilt them forward a little with alloy blocks under the bolt points. I always felt the recaro seats where too low compared to the regular spongy seats and the driving position less than ideal. Depends on you physique I guess but I really benefit from the height/angle change.

Keep up the strange work

Ian


Title: Re: Fuel Injected VX Beta Spyder
Post by: rossocorsa on June 13, 2020, 12:55:12 AM
Thatís interesting. When I put the recaros back in my car after a 15 year lay up, I only had one roller in each runner. Thought it was odd but the seats kind of work so I didnít give it any more thought. Just put it down to shoddy old 80ís engineering.

Looks like I will have to re-visit the seat runners now.

One thing I decided to do was to raise the drivers seat and tilt them forward a little with alloy blocks under the bolt points. I always felt the recaro seats where too low compared to the regular spongy seats and the driving position less than ideal. Depends on you physique I guess but I really benefit from the height/angle change.

Keep up the strange work

Ian


A long time since I've driven mine but I added packers to the front to tilt the base back a bit as otherwise leg support was poor  leading to creaking limbs on long drives.


Title: Re: Fuel Injected VX Beta Spyder
Post by: squiglyzigly on June 13, 2020, 08:16:30 AM
Fun with VX Recaro Seat mounts and runners over the last couple of days has meant stripping the runners from 6 seats to make a set since they were all seized up! They are an odd design with 3 large wheel runners each which go missing or end up jammed  in the middle.

Just 1 more odd challenge I was not expecting. At least I have a pair of front seats with the full fabric and even the seat back pocket.

Onto the next strange challenge.

Eric

Eric,
I donít suppose you have one to hand that you could measure please.

Iíd like to knock a few up in nylon before I take my seats out to replace them.

Many thanks
Ian



Title: Re: Fuel Injected VX Beta Spyder
Post by: WestonE on June 14, 2020, 01:43:07 PM
Hi Ian

I have a spare runner with notches in the rubber bit I can send you. PM me the address please.  There should be 2 rollers in each runner (not 3!) and there should be stop plates on the mounting bolts so they can not move to far and throw the rollers out. On several of mine there was only 1 roller left and it had got stuck in the centre jamming the runner. The old grease had set to concrete, but with picking the best bits, soaking in the pats washer and using fresh moly grease I have a car set of runners and bits the platers will make fit to use to build a spare set. Onto the next job!

Eric     


Title: Re: Fuel Injected VX Beta Spyder
Post by: WestonE on June 16, 2020, 05:51:47 PM
Hi Beta Fans

I thought I would share a couple more photos.
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Title: Re: Fuel Injected VX Beta Spyder
Post by: WestonE on June 16, 2020, 05:54:31 PM
And some more Photos of the ongoing challenge(http://[img])[/img]


Title: Re: Fuel Injected VX Beta Spyder
Post by: peteracs on June 16, 2020, 06:41:52 PM
Hi Eric

I have to say I had the seats recovered, but never considered the runners being U/S. another job to add to the list To check when I get them out of storage in the loft....

Peter


Title: Re: Fuel Injected VX Beta Spyder
Post by: WestonE on June 16, 2020, 08:23:23 PM
Hi Peter

I checked mine whilst I was nearby in the loft and got a shock. Hence the fix. Check the frame pivots and fold down mechanism whilst you are there.

Good luck Eric

NB these are VX Coupe Recaro runners so maybe normal seat ones are better.


Title: Re: Fuel Injected VX Beta Spyder
Post by: Nigel on June 16, 2020, 11:05:19 PM
Hi,
the standard rollers have a much smaller rolling diameter,almost half in fact, and the channels
are less deep. Design the same though.
N.


Title: Re: Fuel Injected VX Beta Spyder
Post by: WestonE on June 20, 2020, 09:43:03 AM
Hi Nigel

If they were standard runners I could just buy new ones from Car Builder Solutions. The VX ones are specials for the Recaros!


Title: Re: Fuel Injected VX Beta Spyder
Post by: WestonE on June 20, 2020, 09:45:38 AM
I thought I would share the Nuts and bolts of the job!
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Title: Re: Fuel Injected VX Beta Spyder
Post by: WestonE on June 20, 2020, 09:46:47 AM
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Title: Re: Fuel Injected VX Beta Spyder
Post by: WestonE on June 20, 2020, 09:49:27 AM
You will notice Gold Passivate plated fixings where the platers have transformed the corroded OE Nuts and bolts on a big scale saving me a fortune in new nuts and bolts.


Title: Re: Fuel Injected VX Beta Spyder
Post by: WestonE on June 25, 2020, 08:01:52 AM
I have worked out how to build my front strut brace using an off the shelf OMP universal item for the adjustable bar that ensures the tension needed is there. A trip to the laser cutters soon to get card board made into steel before some simple welding and painting.

Image of the pattern.
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Title: Re: Fuel Injected VX Beta Spyder
Post by: WestonE on June 25, 2020, 08:05:14 AM
BTW the small passivated bit holds the bumper rubber end so I will ask if they can make them in stainless cheaply.


Title: Re: Fuel Injected VX Beta Spyder
Post by: squiglyzigly on June 25, 2020, 08:59:25 AM
Nice detail.

Thought the small passivated bracket looked familiar. Was stripping and polishing the front bumper yesterday and had those in my hand.

Looking forward to seeing the completed bracing.

Ian


Title: Re: Fuel Injected VX Beta Spyder
Post by: peteracs on June 25, 2020, 05:19:14 PM
Hi Eric

I too will be interested in seeing the bracing, something I had wondered what was possible to buy to make one.

Peter


Title: Re: Fuel Injected VX Beta Spyder
Post by: WestonE on June 29, 2020, 01:54:35 PM
Some more bits of the puzzle like the OMP bit of the strut brace with the adjuster.
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Title: Re: Fuel Injected VX Beta Spyder
Post by: WestonE on June 29, 2020, 01:57:20 PM
And a few more like making new fixing for the bumper rubbers with Inserts from Car Builder Solutions and Tiger Seal.
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Title: Re: Fuel Injected VX Beta Spyder
Post by: WestonE on June 29, 2020, 02:02:22 PM
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Title: Re: Fuel Injected VX Beta Spyder
Post by: WestonE on July 06, 2020, 08:33:27 PM
And now I am strangely excited that I will be receiving a Nardi Evolution Gear Knob to go with the quick shift gear lever (thanks to Mark at Beta Boyz).
I am still challenged by creating a leather gaiter for the gear lever but I have a cunning plan to quote Baldrick and Black Adder.

Eric


Title: Re: Fuel Injected VX Beta Spyder
Post by: WestonE on July 08, 2020, 08:17:46 AM
Some pictures of the Nardi Knob and quickshift lever using the kit from Beta Boyz and some matt black paint.

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Title: Re: Fuel Injected VX Beta Spyder
Post by: WestonE on July 17, 2020, 05:52:22 PM
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Designing mounts for a new gear lever leather gaitor and using a chopping board for the plastic to fill in the S1 speaker holes in the doors.




Title: Re: Fuel Injected VX Beta Spyder
Post by: WestonE on July 17, 2020, 05:57:19 PM
Fog Light solution finally and the Rear Speaker Mount

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Title: Re: Fuel Injected VX Beta Spyder
Post by: WestonE on August 07, 2020, 03:55:11 PM
I foolishly thought building a spare pair of power steering hubs would be easy given the tools and knowledge I have. So of course lock rings were seized, the Lancia tool broke and alternative hub had cut off bolts firmly stuck in place and somehow hardened trashing colbolt drill bits. Then the long service press started leaking and the sand blaster sand was little more than dust  >:(

Some time later using SKF Delta Bearings. (http://[img])[/img]
   


Title: Re: Fuel Injected VX Beta Spyder
Post by: WestonE on August 07, 2020, 03:59:55 PM
A little progress on the strut brace as I now have the laser cut top plates and D plates to attach the adjustable bar. Just welding and powder coating to go and onto the next challenge on the endless list.