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Technical stuff => Steering => Topic started by: 3cojones on October 04, 2016, 05:10:41 PM



Title: Need new manual steering rack damper
Post by: 3cojones on October 04, 2016, 05:10:41 PM

Hi,

My Spyder ('81 f/l) has failed it's MOT on split steering rack gaiters (and a few minor bits) so I ordered these from Mark at Betaboyz and they arrived promptly.  The garage now say that the reason for this was that the steering rack damper has leaked all it's fluid over the gaiters so advise fitting a new steering rack damper whilst they're at it.  Finding it impossible to find this  part anywhere in stock - does anyone know where I can lay my hands on one.  I have found one at Lancia Auto SA for 210 + carr. but bit pricey and not currently in stock.

Any help with this would be hugely appreciated.

Chris


Title: Re: Need new manual steering rack damper
Post by: HFStuart on October 04, 2016, 06:38:38 PM
Take it off and leave it off.

I ran mine without and noticed not a jot of difference


Title: Re: Need new manual steering rack damper
Post by: 3cojones on October 04, 2016, 11:05:13 PM
Take it off and leave it off.

I ran mine without and noticed not a jot of difference

Thanks for posting once again Stuart.  That is bold advice .... and music to my ears !  This was getting to be a bit of an issue, but I will ask the garage to remove it.  Thanks for making my life so much easier !

Cheers, Chris


Title: Re: Need new manual steering rack damper
Post by: peteracs on October 05, 2016, 11:54:47 AM
Hi Chris

FYI there are two different types of the damper for the manual rack, I was lucky enough to buy a bundle of parts which included two new ones (sorry not for sale as I need one for the car and will keep the other for a spare just in case). I did spend some time before that looking for them without success, but was only aware of the one with the rubber outer (which had completely perished on the one on the car. The other type has a metal outer which is more like a conventional shocker and probably would be a bit more resilient to the heat from the exhaust.

Even if you do not replace it, I suggest you wrap the exhaust to try to keep the temp down around the rack gaiter which does go brittle with heat after a time, again mine was pretty poor when I took it off.

The two I have are

WAY ASSAUTO  pn not easily read, but has Lancia p/n on it
Stabilus pn 01 20 164 200 19/7X where X is unreadable, but may be 9 <-- This has metal casing unlike the Way one

Peter


Title: Re: Need new manual steering rack damper
Post by: HFStuart on October 05, 2016, 12:17:13 PM
Interesting  - the only ones I've seen have been the metal case ones (including on badged up as Seat)

I wonder if Lancia found the rubber outer were failing and changed the spec?

+1 for heat wrapping the exhaust though. It will help in several ways


Title: Re: Need new manual steering rack damper
Post by: smithymc on October 05, 2016, 06:37:09 PM
My new one was a Seat packaged metal one, eBay from Holland.

Mark


Title: Re: Need new manual steering rack damper
Post by: peteracs on October 05, 2016, 09:32:31 PM
Hi Mark

Do you have a pn on it and manuf?

Peter


Title: Re: Need new manual steering rack damper
Post by: 3cojones on October 09, 2016, 12:49:07 AM
Hi Chris

FYI there are two different types of the damper for the manual rack, I was lucky enough to buy a bundle of parts which included two new ones (sorry not for sale as I need one for the car and will keep the other for a spare just in case). I did spend some time before that looking for them without success, but was only aware of the one with the rubber outer (which had completely perished on the one on the car. The other type has a metal outer which is more like a conventional shocker and probably would be a bit more resilient to the heat from the exhaust.

Even if you do not replace it, I suggest you wrap the exhaust to try to keep the temp down around the rack gaiter which does go brittle with heat after a time, again mine was pretty poor when I took it off.

The two I have are

WAY ASSAUTO  pn not easily read, but has Lancia p/n on it
Stabilus pn 01 20 164 200 19/7X where X is unreadable, but may be 9 <-- This has metal casing unlike the Way one

Peter

Hi Peter,

Thanks for that.  I don't blame you for hanging on to a spare unit, they're pretty hard to come by.  I will get the exhaust wrapped and see how things turn out without the damper.

Regards, Chris


Title: Re: Need new manual steering rack damper
Post by: HFStuart on October 09, 2016, 11:00:18 AM
I took a pic of my spare. Which is new but feels shot or at least not smooth. The part number is clear.

(http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b178/HFStuart/P1090517a.jpg) (http://s19.photobucket.com/user/HFStuart/media/P1090517a.jpg.html)


Title: Re: Need new manual steering rack damper
Post by: peteracs on October 09, 2016, 02:28:00 PM
Hi Stuart

Ok, so the last few digits are the manuf date at a guess. Oddly enough mine is also not smooth, so maybe that is how they are?  The Way one is smoother.

Peter


Title: Re: Need new manual steering rack damper
Post by: smithymc on October 09, 2016, 04:45:20 PM
Original and replacement look identical to Stuart's , albeit part number is illegible on spare.

 Action smooth on both, just the damping to the spare is negligible.

Mark


Title: Re: Need new manual steering rack damper
Post by: Neil-yaj396 on October 10, 2016, 06:57:01 AM
Is it possible that most of these have failed due to age? Hence most people don't see the difference when they are removed.

Mark, what was the effect when you replaced yours?


Title: Re: Need new manual steering rack damper
Post by: smithymc on October 10, 2016, 04:14:20 PM
It was certainly noticeable, but of course within a week you have forgotten what it used to be like!

Mark